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Old August 20th, 2011, 09:03 PM   #1621
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But we're still getting our wages in PLN, so prize in Euro it's not important. But yes, prize is high and it's not easy to tell why. There are high excise duty for gasoline (but not so high at all), but also companies want to earn as much as thay can.
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Old August 21st, 2011, 08:24 AM   #1622
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In my area, the gas prices is currently $3.34 per gallon which is lower than the national average.
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Old August 21st, 2011, 11:58 AM   #1623
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But we're still getting our wages in PLN, so prize in Euro it's not important. But yes, prize is high and it's not easy to tell why. There are high excise duty for gasoline (but not so high at all), but also companies want to earn as much as thay can.
In Italy 0,231 €/l is composed by some old excises that they are:

1,90 lire for 1935 Ethiopian war;
14 lire for 1956 Suez crisis;
10 lire for 1963 Vajont dam collapse;
10 lire for 1966 Florence's flood;
10 lire for 1968 Belice's earthquake;
99 lire for 1976 Friuli's earthquake;
75 lire for 1980 Irpinia's earthquake;
205 lire for 1983 Lebanon's war;
22 lire for 1996 Bosnia's UNMIBH mission;

And they are still paid for every liter of fuel sold in Italy. So we pay 0,231 €/l for these bullshits!

As excises we pay also the VAT (20% in Italy) so from 0,231 €/l we fly up to 0,277 €/l

I sai yestaerday that the average price in Italy is 1,587 for Super Unleaded 95. Abolishing those excises we could pay fuel 1,310 €/l, a good and right price I think!
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Old August 21st, 2011, 12:01 PM   #1624
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Same in the Netherlands, all "temporary" excise duty increases became permanent.
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Old August 21st, 2011, 12:02 PM   #1625
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In Germany prices are schizofrenic. At the same station you can go in the morning and find 1.31 for diesel, and the same evening you can find 1.40...

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I live in Iran.As all knows our countery is second producer Oil in the world
We have two differnet rate for fuel:
with subsidies:60 liter per month (for each car below 1800 cc )1 liter equal .037$
and without subsidies is free its equlal .066$
please consider that our Avg of salary is less than 600$ at month
Hi sattar! how are subsidies distributed, and who can access them?
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Old August 21st, 2011, 12:05 PM   #1626
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In Germany prices are schizofrenic. At the same station you can go in the morning and find 1.31 for diesel, and the same evening you can find 1.40...
Uhm...that's not the first time that I read about this thing from Germany.

Probably German people use to fill cars mostly in the evening time so stations rise the price goin' on with the day!
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Same in the Netherlands, all "temporary" excise duty increases became permanent.
Uhm...this "soothes" me.

Could you tell me please some crazy excises that you pay in the Netherlands?
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Talking about excises in Italy there are some others, for example:

0,020 € for the 2004 new national contract of Bus/Tram/Coach/Train drivers
0,0073 € from 2011 for cultural venues such as museums or archaeological sites
0,040 € for immigration emergency due to the 2011 Lybian crisis
0,0019 € from 2011 for cinema industry

So 0,0692 € that added to the other 0,231 €/l make up 0,3002 €/l (0,360 €/l with 20% VAT).
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Well, we don't have special war or disaster excises, but for instance in 1991 the temporary "quarter of Kok" was introduced. Kok was the minister of finance at the time. Considering inflation, it's about € 0,18 per liter.
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Old August 22nd, 2011, 11:39 PM   #1630
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I would say that these prices are absolutely high for Polish wages!
You could say that about any Eastern European economy. But petrol is an international product and lower taxing would 1) ruin competition for other countries and 2) result in a disproportionately small income for road management.

Just because Polish wages are low doesn't mean everything else is that much cheaper. Road maintenance etc still costs a lot. And petrol is not something Poland can produce for itself.

It's like complaining about a €100 iPod not costing €50 in Slovakia because their wages are smaller.
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Old August 23rd, 2011, 12:01 AM   #1631
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In Serbia it's very expensive now, considering our livig standard.

95- 1.32 € liter
98- 1.45 € liter
Euro Diesel- 1.35 € liter

Average monthly net salary in the last few months in Serbia was around 300€. It's expensive because of high taxes.
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Old August 25th, 2011, 08:03 PM   #1632
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It's like complaining about a €100 iPod not costing €50 in Slovakia because their wages are smaller.
That's it.
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Old August 25th, 2011, 08:11 PM   #1633
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Not really. In other countries gasoline costs much less, for instance in the US. I don't think that's the same with iPods.
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Old August 25th, 2011, 08:21 PM   #1634
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Housing is significantly cheaper in eastern Europe it seems. I saw an ad for a new apartment in Praha, for 2.3 million CZK. That's € 94 000. In the Netherlands a new apartment (larger than a studio) usually costs over € 150 000.
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Old August 25th, 2011, 09:35 PM   #1635
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Housing is significantly cheaper in eastern Europe it seems. I saw an ad for a new apartment in Praha, for 2.3 million CZK. That's € 94 000. In the Netherlands a new apartment (larger than a studio) usually costs over € 150 000.
Not really

In Warsaw apartments with current average price of a little over 2000€/m˛ cost the same or even more than apartments in Berlin, Hamburg or Dresden and are only a little cheaper than those in Madrid. And those are only the cities I've checked personally.

My cousins rented a very nice 2-room flat in Brussels in central location for 500€/month (electricity, heating, water inclusive). You'd have to try very hard to rent a flat with the same standard and proximity to city centre in Warsaw.

And let's not forget that wages in Warsaw aren't on the Berlin, Hamburg or Madrid level yet. An average new family will have to take a 30-years long loan which will (in the early years) consume up to half of their income just to have a roof over their head.
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Old August 25th, 2011, 09:38 PM   #1636
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The era of cheap fuel has definetly ended. You cannot stop thr growth of consumption in Asia (mainly China) and other places in the world. The good news is that alternate energy sources and solutions has became profitable...
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Old August 25th, 2011, 09:38 PM   #1637
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Where is diesel cheaper? In Croatia, Slovenia or Austria?
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Slovenia, I think. But Croatia isn't much different. In Austria it's more expensive.
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Czech Republic:

Euro 95: CZK 34,50 / € 1,43
Diesel: CZK 32,50 / € 1,35

Give or take a few cents.
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Not really

In Warsaw apartments with current average price of a little over 2000€/m˛ cost the same or even more than apartments in Berlin, Hamburg or Dresden and are only a little cheaper than those in Madrid. And those are only the cities I've checked personally.

My cousins rented a very nice 2-room flat in Brussels in central location for 500€/month (electricity, heating, water inclusive). You'd have to try very hard to rent a flat with the same standard and proximity to city centre in Warsaw.
Well, German cities, especially Berlin, have a high vacancy rate. Wikipedia states some estimates say 1 million vacant apartments.source This depresses prices. German housing is extremely cheap compared to the Netherlands, regularly € 100 000 less or a far larger house for the same amount of a Dutch home. Many Dutch live just across the border in Germany.
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