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[Cincinnatus]

Originally Posted by socrates#1fan

I'm not denying that.
The STL area has more people than Indy, yes.
I am talking about CITY LIMITS.
It just means that inside the magical lines we have more people than STL but when we use the big metro magic lines STL has more people inside their magical line than us.

So, if we took Indy and drew up 62 sq. mi. from the city-center, it would have more people than STL?

Or, if we took 365 sq. mi. around STL's city-center, it wouldn't be larger?

No comparison whatsoever.

[socrates#1fan]

Originally Posted by Cincinnatus

So, if we took Indy and drew up 62 sq. mi. from the city-center, it would have more people than STL?

Or, if we took 365 sq. mi. around STL's city-center, it wouldn't be larger?

No comparison whatsoever.

It may I don't know.
Yes, yes it would because you would be taking population from the metro.
I'm speaking purely of city limits. City limit populations don't typically determine economic power, influence, etc as much as a metro population does.
Like I said, Indy has a larger city limit population than STL due to annexation of suburbs added onto a large central city population(but! Of course, not as large as STL! ).

[cwilson758]

STL is the most-dense, architecturally significant, economic powerhouse this side of Hong Kong.

[socrates#1fan]

It is the center of the world.
Can we move on?

[ablerock]

Originally Posted by cwilson758

STL is the most-dense, architecturally significant, economic powerhouse this side of Hong Kong.

[ablerock]

Arenn posted over in the Indianapolis seciton that the transit authority asked for approximately $100 m for mass transit. Is that a northside group, arenn, or the Indianpolis Transit Authority? I'm not even sure if I'm calling it the right thing!

Anyway, I'm still a little perplexed that Indy didn't jump on this federal $ opportunity and ask for say, $500 m to build a regional starter system or at least a train to the airport.

Anybody know anything about this or understand the city's line of thinking?

[cwilson758]

With Ballard at the helm, even the City doesn't understand the City's line of thinking. Remember, they "misunderstood" the original request from the Feds.

[arenn]

I think it was Hamilton County governments who requested the transit funds.

As I suggested in my blog, the city needs to take a mulligan on its stimulus list.

[ablerock]

Originally Posted by cwilson758

With Ballard at the helm, even the City doesn't understand the City's line of thinking. Remember, they "misunderstood" the original request from the Feds.

Yeah, I'm always trying to be more nice about it, but that's just a huge mistake.

Who knows who we can contact to complain?

[JivecitySTL]

Socrates, you are so weird. What is the point of basing anything off city population alone without any consideration of urbanized and/or metro population? If you go only by city population, then Jacksonville is larger than Boston and San Francisco, and El Paso is larger than Washington, DC and Seattle. In other words, CITY POPULATION MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about a place's true size and influence. There is really no point whatsoever in even mentioning it.

If you really want to get a sense of how "big" a city/metro feels, then judge it by Urbanized Area population, which measures only the continuously urbanized areas surrounding major cities:

http://www.demographia.com/db-ua2000pop.htm

I'm sorry, and I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say this, but come on-- Indianapolis and St. Louis are in two different leagues when it comes to urban fabric and infrastructure. There is simply no comparison. Indy's built environment is like a genital wart compared to St. Louis. That's really just a fact.

[gregarious]

Originally Posted by JivecitySTL

Socrates, you are so weird. What is the point of basing anything off city population alone without any consideration of urbanized and/or metro population? If you go only by city population, then Jacksonville is larger than Boston and San Francisco, and El Paso is larger than Washington, DC and Seattle. In other words, CITY POPULATION MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about a place's true size and influence. There is really no point whatsoever in even mentioning it.

If you really want to get a sense of how "big" a city/metro feels, then judge it by Urbanized Area population, which measures only the continuously urbanized areas surrounding major cities:

http://www.demographia.com/db-ua2000pop.htm

I'm sorry, and I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say this, but come on-- Indianapolis and St. Louis are in two different leagues when it comes to urban fabric and infrastructure. There is simply no comparison. Indy's built environment is like a genital wart compared to St. Louis. That's really just a fact.

Those numbers seem a little off. Ithought the Indy MSA was about 1.6 million in 2000 and STl about 2.1, which I agree is a significant difference? The more alarming stat was that Indy grew by 16+% and STL was around 3%.

So in a decade or two, the "genital wart" may outgrow the body. Sorry

[JivecitySTL]

Originally Posted by gregarious

Those numbers seem a little off. Ithought the Indy MSA was about 1.6 million in 2000 and STl about 2.1, which I agree is a significant difference?

Wrong. In 2000, Indianapolis had 1.6 million, as compared to STL's 2.6 million-- a difference of 1 million people, or roughly the size of metropolitan Louisville. That actually is a big difference.

The more alarming stat was that Indy grew by 16+% and STL was around 3%.

So in a decade or two, the "genital wart" may outgrow the body. Sorry

You're right-- Indy is growing much faster than most metros in the Midwest, but that still won't make it more interesting. It's like comparing Houston to Boston.

[cwilson758]

Wow, I see the weiner fight is still going....

[socrates#1fan]

Oh Jesus christ.
I never said it meant ANYTHING.
If you read what I said you would kow that!
STL is bigger in METRO. All I said is Indy had more people within it's city limits.
That is a fact, and means little.
STL has a BIGGER metro. I said that to begin with.
Good lord, sensative much?
Where did this idea that I'm bashing STL come from?
Or that I said city populations are more important than metros?!
My god.
FYI
Obama-Biden. Yes we did!

[hoosier]

I don't think the cultural divide between Indy and Saint Louis is comparable to the one between Houston and Boston.

Houston has way more room to expand than Boston whereas both Indy and Saint Louis have plenty of elbow room to grow, but only one metro actually is.

[JivecitySTL]

Originally Posted by hoosier

I don't think the cultural divide between Indy and Saint Louis is comparable to the one between Houston and Boston.

Houston has way more room to expand than Boston whereas both Indy and Saint Louis have plenty of elbow room to grow, but only one metro actually is.

True, the cultural divide between Indianapolis and St. Louis is not as disparate as that between Houston and Boston, but it should be noted that metro St. Louis is growing, albeit not as fast as Indianapolis.

[socrates#1fan]

Originally Posted by JivecitySTL

True, the cultural divide between Indianapolis and St. Louis is not as disparate as that between Houston and Boston, but it should be noted that metro St. Louis is growing, albeit not as fast as Indianapolis.

Did someone compare us to Houston? I am insulted!

[Indymac]

I just want to commend Jivecity on a great and thorough thread-jacking.

Anyway, is there anything that has happened with this since the beginning of the year?

[GarfieldPark]

The Indianapolis MPO selected HNTB consultants to prepare the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) for the NE corridor rapid transit line. It is just now getting started. It will likely be around the end of 2010, early 2011 before the statement is completed - with all of its findings on the various environmental impacts of the various alternatives. If the federal transit administration agrees with the findings of the DEIS, it will become a Final EIS and whatever the findings are --- the regional transit authority will be able to move forward in applying to get federal "New Starts" funds to pay for whatever rapid transit solution is approved.

[EddieB317]

Indy Star Article 10/22/2009 on the transit referendum

http://www.indystar.com/article/2009...d+mass+transit


Ball State Archives about Transit in Indiana.

http://ddarchive.blogspot.com/2009/0...apolis-to.html