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Old September 30th, 2008, 06:09 PM   #1
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MISC | Car-carrying trains

Are there any trains that carry passengers AND their cars ( similar to Le Shuttle).
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Old September 30th, 2008, 06:18 PM   #2
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of course there are. i can tell for Croatia - night train 824/825 Zagreb - Split allways has a car transporter MDDIm. there is season train Hamburg - Rijeka with car transporters, and there are plenty of Ro-la trains (carrying lorries) across the Europe. for instance, there are 7 daily trains at route Maribor (SLO) - Wels (A), there also used to exits Ljubljana (SLO) - Spačva (HR) and Ljubljana - Szeged (H), I'm not sure if those last 2 exist anymore
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Old September 30th, 2008, 06:33 PM   #3
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Are there any trains with double decker cars whose lower deck in for autos and upper deck is for passengers?
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Old September 30th, 2008, 06:35 PM   #4
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A few years ago, either the Canadian federal or Ontario provincial government announced fast-track plans to enact Highway-401(-clogging) trucks into riding piggyback trains along that trade route.....neither of 'em --nor anybody else-- mentioned erecting any terminal, etc...
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Old September 30th, 2008, 07:05 PM   #5
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In Switzerland, there are several of them, some since more than 50 years.

- Oberalp: Andermatt - Sedrun
- Simplon: Brig - Iselle (Italy)
- Lötschberg: Kandersteg - Goppenstein
- Lötschberg & Simplon combined: Kandersteg - Iselle (Italy)
- Furka: Oberwald - Realp
- Vereina/Flüela: Selfranga - Sagliains
- Albula: Thusis - Samedan

Basically, it's in every place where exists a long rail tunnel connecting two valleys, and at the same time no street tunnel. Gotthard also had a shuttle until the street tunnel opened in 1980.



Some more pics of the Furka-Shuttle: http://www.reflektion.info/html/4019...1_fo-auto.html
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Old September 30th, 2008, 11:06 PM   #6
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The German Railways (DB) had this kind of car transporters build in the 1950s and 1960s for the use on long distance, usually holiday trains that also carried cars.
[IMG]http://i33.************/fk7bzc.jpg[/IMG]

Cars were loaded on the side of the train and were put into place with a turntable, it could carry 8 cars on two decks.

Later these kind of cars were used to transport the cars, these can only be loaded from the front and the back but have a bigger capacity.

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Today trains are still carrying people with their cars, mostly from Germany and some other North European countries to the holiday countries in the South.

In Europe there are no double decker cars that have cars on lower deck and passengers in the upper deck. The loading gauge is just to small to make this possible.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 11:57 PM   #7
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Train

I think American Auto Train is an example of double decker car trains.
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Amtrak's Auto Train offers overnight non-stop service (stopping only to service the trains and change crews) between Lorton, VA (just outside of Washington DC) and Sanford, FL (just outside of Orlando, FL). It is very popular with those whom want to get between the northeast and Florida with their cars, but don't want to drive it. They use bi-level auto racks and you can bring along whatever stuff will fit into the car.

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http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/Conten...21200&ssid=134

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Old October 1st, 2008, 02:23 PM   #9
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We need such trains in Turkey as many people who go to Bodrum or Antalya by car have to drive for hours on those dangerous raods. On the other hand if they do not take their cars they will not have mobility where they went. So a car train is essential.
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Old October 1st, 2008, 06:49 PM   #11
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There can be three types of car-carrying trains:

1) Passenger night trains with freight waggons carrying cars

2) "rolling highway" for trucks (in Europe, on the Fréjus, Loetschebrg/Simplon, Brenner and Tarvisio transalpine railways)

3) Shuttles like Eurotunnel used to carry road vehicles on short connections.

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The Gottard shuttle service can be reactivated easily.

Shuttles ran during the closure of the road tunnel in 2001.

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There is a car shuttle also throught the Tauern Tunnel in Austria.

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Another car shuttle run on a causeway to Westerland, Germany: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westerland,_Germany
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 12:39 AM   #12
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There is Ro-La truck train that runs from Halkalı in Turkey to Wels in Germany. After the Bosphorus tunnel is complete we may see such trains running from Asia to Europe through the tunnel.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 06:20 PM   #13
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A Ro-La in the Ferencváros station:

But we dont have the "normal" car-carrying trains for some reasons...I guess the distances are too small for them...
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Old October 3rd, 2008, 12:06 AM   #14
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That must be the aforementioned Ro-La train between Halkalı-Wels.
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Old October 12th, 2008, 09:12 AM   #15
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Car/Sleeper trains in Finland

In Finland VR has been operating car/sleeper trains for decades between northern and southern parts of the country. Most of the sleepers as well as the car carrying cars are double deckers thanks to the bigger loading gauges in Finland compared with continental Europe. Still the vehicles and the passengers ride in separate cars.

An older and a newer vehicle car shunted at Helsinki railway station
http://vaunut.org/kuvasivu.php/25194

VR leaflet on "Car-carrier and Luggage Waggons" (pdf 629 kb)
http://www.vr.fi/heo/eng/junat/vaunu...onkuljetus.pdf

More on VR services
http://www.vr.fi/heo/eng/index.html

The Helsinki-Moscow overnight express used to have a car-carrying car, but the cost of using this servie was so high and the procedures at the Moscow end of the service were sotime-consuming and complicated that it proved to be a a financial failure, so it was dropped.
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