Kochi Marine Drive & Skyline pictures - I

[Satyrias]

Originally Posted by alamzada2007

Yes. Absolutely right. How did you identify it from an evergreen memorable and meaningful nostalgic song?

As for the Asoka Apts, my family owns an Apt there since its inception about 32 yrs ago. So, I know that building very well.

As for the other building in the second song, logically I know there was no other tall building at that time on that road when that movie was made in 1971. Also, that building has about 9 storeys and I have been to their roof top restaurant in 1977. However, this is the first time I have seen that movie through the link in the previous post though that song is very familiar to me while I was young.

But the original poster talked about Verapoly Diocese building, so I was confused. Anyway, I don’t even know where is that building on Marine Drive.

[thanseem]

Originally Posted by Satyrias

In the first video at 0:06, that is Asoka Apts opposite to High Court.

What is that building seen at 2:06 in the second video? Isn't it the Sealord hotel?

r u sure?

the same building can be seen from 1:30 also. There u could see a bus coming from the left side of the building..i guess its coming from Banergy rd and the building stands near the banergy rd-shanmungham rd jn.

i think its the old verapoly diocese building where the joy alukkas centre stands now! ..that building starts to incline a bit in late 80's and was a security concern...there was a Jesus statue on the top..its also clearly seen in the video..("pravaachakanmaare parayoo"..thats y they r showing it!)

also..that navy apartments is called asoka? i c..i thought its tharangini..

[DileepKS]

The building shown from 1:20 to 1:40, and also around 2:08 is the Verapoly building that sunk down, demolished, and then replaced by JoyAlukkas, and then burned down.

[Satyrias]

Originally Posted by thanseem

r u sure?
also..that navy apartments is called asoka? i c..i thought its tharangini..

The Navy apt complex is not Asoka. Asoka apt complex was the first one built by GCDA. OK, you are talking about the building on the left of Asoka, that is Tharangini. Sorry for confusing you.

Regarding the other building, my assumption was based on the number of floors. The Sealord has about 8 floors; the building in that movie also has about 8 floors. From 2:06 to 2:08 it shows the skyline far out along the shoreline; I didn't see any other building. So I assumed that way.

Last time I visited that place was in 1985, so it is all from my memory.

Maybe you are correct since a bus is coming out of a road in that corner. There is no bus route through the adjacent side of Sealord that I can remember.

The Sealord was built in 1964; this movie was in 1971.

Was the Verapoly building built before 1971?

[alamzada2007]

Originally Posted by Satyrias

The Navy apt complex is not Asoka. Asoka apt complex was the first one built by GCDA. OK, you are talking about the building on the left of Asoka, that is Tharangini. Sorry for confusing you.

Regarding the other building, my assumption was based on the number of floors. The Sealord has about 8 floors; the building in that movie also has about 8 floors. From 2:06 to 2:08 it shows the skyline far out along the shoreline; I didn't see any other building. So I assumed that way.

Last time I visited that place was in 1985, so it is all from my memory.

Maybe you are correct since a bus is coming out of a road in that corner. There is no bus route through the adjacent side of Sealord that I can remember.

The Sealord was built in 1964; this movie was in 1971.

Was the Verapoly building built before 1971?

I am not sure whether the verapoly building known as Stella Mary was in existence in 1971. But I had visited the bar hotel in 1973 which was conducted in 'leaning pisa tower' of Stella Mary of Arch diocese of Verapoly (when I was doing 1st year B.A[economics] in St.Albert's college)
അച്ചന്മാരുടെ മേൽനോട്ടത്തിൽ നടത്തിയിരുന്ന ബാർ ആയതു കൊണ്ടു തട്ടിപ്പും വെട്ടിപ്പും അവിടെ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നില്ല.. പിന്നെ അതൊരു സ്ക്കാൻഡൽ (നാറ്റ കേസായി മാറിയതോടെ) ആയതോടെ അച്ചൻമാർ കള്ളു കച്ചവടം നിർത്തി. അവരുടെ ബിനാമിയായിരുന്ന നടത്തിയിരുന്നതു...

[Satyrias]

Originally Posted by alamzada2007

അച്ചന്മാരുടെ മേൽനോട്ടത്തിൽ നടത്തിയിരുന്ന ബാർ ആയതു കൊണ്ടു തട്ടിപ്പും വെട്ടിപ്പും അവിടെ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നില്ല.. പിന്നെ അതൊരു സ്ക്കാൻഡൽ (നാറ്റ കേസായി മാറിയതോടെ) ആയതോടെ അച്ചൻമാർ കള്ളു കച്ചവടം നിർത്തി. അവരുടെ ബിനാമിയായിരുന്ന നടത്തിയിരുന്നതു...

Why do some of the Malayalam letters appear so weird?

For example, look at this one, "മേൽനോട്ടത്തിൽ"

I am trying to understand this word, "സ്ക്കാൻഡൽ"

What is it?

[alamzada2007]

Originally Posted by Satyrias

Why do some of the Malayalam letters appear so weird?

For example, look at this one, "മേൽനോട്ടത്തിൽ"

I am trying to understand this word, "സ്ക്കാൻഡൽ"

What is it?

മേൽനോട്ടത്തിൽ ( under the supervision)
സ്ക്കാൻഡൽ ( നാറ്റ കേസ്) അതായതു മോൻ ഒരു പീഡന കേസിൽ അറസ്റ്റിലായാൽ മൊന്റെ കുടുംബത്തിനു മൊത്തം ബാധിക്കുന്ന ഒരു സ്കാൻഡൻ (scandal) ആയി മാറും... ഇനിയും വ്യക്തമായില്ലെങ്കിൽ ഞാൻ പി എം മുഖനേ വ്യക്തമാക്കി തരാം. (Both in English and Malayalam as I belong to a clan of legal luminaries of Kerala High court)

[DileepKS]

I think Satyrias don't have the right fonts installed, and he is complaining about the FONTS, not the words.

[Satyrias]

Dileep , you’re right. I was talking about the fonts but only few letters. I can see all the consonants and vowels of Malayalam letters but only those diacritics appear weird. It is FireFox and uses dynamic fonts. So, there is no need to install Malayalam fonts like in the olden days. If it were for the Malayalam fonts, then I would have seen only full garbles.

As for this word, "സ്ക്കാൻഡൽ ", it is not a Malayalam word. That is why I couldn’t make it, on the top of that, two letters are scrambled. But I understood everything else.

This is the way I see it.

Alamzada, please don’t take it as a personal swipe.

The Malayalam journalists and reporters often write English words with Malayalam scripts. The phonetics never gets correct and screws up the pronunciations of readers. And whenever I see some Malayalam TV anchors/reporters on Youtube, using few English words in Malayalam sentences, I always cringe upon their pronunciations. Same way, the Malayalam writers and reporters write English words in Malayalam letters in their articles the way they pronounce it. They should stop those practices and speak or write in full Malayalam words.

[DileepKS]

Find the font AnjaliOldLipi and install. That is the best unicode font I know.

[alamzada2007]

Originally Posted by DileepKS

Find the font AnjaliOldLipi and install. That is the best unicode font I know.

ദിലീപ് പറഞ്ഞതിനോട് ഞാൻ പൂർണ്ണമായും യോജിക്കുന്നു. അഞ്ചലി ഫോണ്ട് 100% യൂണികോഡ് പിൻബലമുള്ളതാണു. കാർത്തിക യൂണികോഡ് (വിൻഡോസിന്റെ ഡിഫൊൾട്ട്) ഫോണ്ടിൽ ചില്ലക്ഷരങ്ങളും കൂട്ടക്ഷരങ്ങളും തെളിഞ്ഞു കാണത്തില്ല...

[Satyrias]

Alamzada:

Since you are an expert in law, I have a question.

What are the Landlord / Tenant rights in Kerala?

As an example, if a landlord gives his land to someone for farming for few years, does the tenant have any legal right for compensation from the landlord for relinquishing the land?

I know many cases where the occupiers demand part of the land to give up his rights to hold. I don’t know if it is a real law of Kerala or India or a mere goondas village law.

I wonder the same could be applied to those condos in Marine Drive if anyone rents it out, hence popped up this question.

Would you shed some light on it? Thanks.

[Prasanth_KCV]

[alamzada2007]

Originally Posted by Satyrias

Alamzada:

Since you are an expert in law, I have a question.

What are the Landlord / Tenant rights in Kerala?

As an example, if a landlord gives his land to someone for farming for few years, does the tenant have any legal right for compensation from the landlord for relinquishing the land?

I know many cases where the occupiers demand part of the land to give up his rights to hold. I don’t know if it is a real law of Kerala or India or a mere goondas village law.

I wonder the same could be applied to those condos in Marine Drive if anyone rents it out, hence popped up this question.

Would you shed some light on it? Thanks.

My deep felt profuse thanks for your compliments which in fact I don't deserve due to obvious reasons. I have no practical exposure to the Kerala Law Reforms Act, 1970 and Building rent and lease control Act of Kerala.
Providing a link which may help you in this regard. Now they have embarked on second reforms movement by forcibly entering and erecting huts on the land at proposed medi city in Cochin
http://vivekajyoti.blogspot.in/2011/...vement-in.html

1970 കളിൽ ഭൂപരിഷ്കരണ നിയമം നടപ്പിലാക്കിയപ്പോൾ അക്കാലത്തെ ജന്മിന്മാർ ഒരു സുപ്രഭാത്തിൽ തെണ്ടികളായി.. അവരുടെ കൃഷിയിടങ്ങൾ പാട്ടത്തിനെടുത്ത (പങ്ക് ഏർപ്പാടിൽ) യഥാർത്ഥ കർഷകരായ "കുടിയാൻ*ന്മാർ" പുതുതലമുറ ജന്മിന്മാരായി മാറി. 15 ഏക്കറിൽ കൂടുതൽ സ്ഥലമുള്ളവരുടെ ഭൂമിയിൽ ബലമായി കയ്യേറി കുടിലുകൾ കെട്ടിയുയർത്തി ആ ഭൂമിയിൽ നിന്നുമുള്ള ആദായങ്ങൾ അവർ കയ്യടക്കി. അങ്ങിനെ നല്ല നിലയിൽ നടന്നിരുന്ന നെല്ല്, കശുവണ്ടി, തെങ്ങ് കൃഷികൾ മുതലായവ അവർ മൂലം നാരായവേരു തോണ്ടി. ഏക്കർ കണക്കിനു തെങ്ങിൻ തോപ്പുകളിൽ കുടിയാന്മാർ കുടിലുകൾ കെട്ടി താമസവും ആദായമെടുക്കലും ആരംഭിച്ചു......."ഞങ്ങൾ വിതച്ച/ കൊയ്ത വയലേലകളെല്ലാം ഞങ്ങളുടെതു " എന്ന നയം നടപ്പിലാക്കി......

[Satyrias]

A simple question. If you own a home anywhere in Kerala, do you rent it out?

If so, are you free by law to ask the renter to vacate the house at anytime as you wish or at the end of the contract if there is any at all? That is what I am trying to understand.

I know few cases of fights between the house owners and renters in Kerala to free their houses. They didn't get any help from the police to evict the renter.

One case I know very well is one doctor at TVM medical college. When he moved to Calicut medical college, he rented out his house to one local business man. After few years he returned to TVM, but the renter won’t move out. Then he hired few local goondas to force that guy out his house.

Is it like that even now?

[DileepKS]

The rent control in KL is a mess. The available law is an act dating to the "soviet republic of Kerala" times, which calls for "Accommodation Controller" etc. It is no longer valid, because there is no such authority.

So, cases are considered based on "common law" principles. This gives a lot of leeway in decisions. Also, these things are decided by Civil courts, so cases can drag for decades.

The normal "sense of law" is that you can't kick out a tenant, as long as they keep paying rent, to rent to someone else.

The only 'reasonable' reasons you can kick out the tenant are:

1. You want to live in there, as you don't have another suitable place. So, if you are non-resident and then come back, you can evict.

2. You want to renovate the place. But the current tenant will have a right to rent it again.

3. Non payment of rent/damaging the property etc.

In reality, if the renter want to create hassle for you, they CAN. So, background checks are very much necessary.

[Satyrias]

Can we raise the rent after the term of the contract to the existing tenant, if he doesn’t move out?

I know in 1980s the lodges in TVM, where renters had been paying the same old low rent on a monthly basis for decades. When the original renter moves onto another stage in his life, he gets his buddy to stay in the same room paying the same old rent. They never move out but paying the old initial rent.

One case that I personally know of a lodge near the Muscat hotel in TVM. The owner couldn’t raise their rent or force the renters to move out during his life time. His only son who died in his 40s survived by his wife and two daughters. When these two girls reached 20s, one day the mother and these two girls broke into the rooms literally with hammers and threw all their belongings into the yard while the residents were all at their offices. It happened in 1980s. There were about 40 rooms. It took the third generation to kick them out.

So, I assume Kerala has not changed in that respect even after all the economic reforms in India. I was thinking of investing money in condos to rent it out. Now I am done with it since I can taste the headache later in my life if there is no law to protect the owners in Kerala.

[sree_ec]

can this discussion be moved to this thread

[Satyrias]

Originally Posted by sree_ec

can this discussion be moved to this thread

Yes Sree, I tried it and posted in General discussion but never got any response there. It was mired deep under other flaring political spats in minutes.

Also, there is something called "gray area" as long as it doesn’t go out of the main core subject. Here we are talking about Marine drive buildings and most of them are condos. In every place, there are contextual interactions otherwise it becomes very monotonous.

I may start a new thread for the discussion of Social aspect of consumers to help each other. In the end, it all comes down to what we utilize in our life, not just watching someone is building a tall building in Kerala and fantasize about it. Isn't it?

[alamzada2007]

As it is not a legal forum/legal thread, clarifications pertaining to leasing of buildings cannot be furnished here. But in Cochin, majority of flats are leased out under BRC Act. Eviction of lessee does not seem to be a big issue here (no need of recourse to law in all cases)