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Old October 7th, 2008, 01:29 PM   #221
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3.281 feet means exact 1.000 meters in height !!
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Old October 7th, 2008, 01:29 PM   #222
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New supertall towers coming from Chicago architect
By Blair Kamin | Chicago Tribune critic
October 7, 2008
Against a backdrop of nose-diving world markets, it sounds like a comic book fantasy: Three closely bunched, mega-skyscrapers would shoot in the sky, connected by skybridges and grand arches. A tower of light would knife into the sky between the buildings. Canal boats would glide underneath.

Crazy? Perhaps. But this is Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, already home to artificial palm-shaped islands and the world's tallest structure. There, one developer Sunday made public plans for an even-taller, mixed-use skyscraper, one that that would rise to a height of roughly 3,281 feet—easily taller than two Sears Towers stacked on end.

On Monday, Chicago architects Adrian Smith and Gordon Gill announced that another Dubai-based concern, Meraas Development, has commissioned them to design the trio of towers, as well as three other projects, all worth a total of roughly $15 billion.

Smith's credits include the world-record, still-to-be-completed Burj Dubai, a mixed-use tower now nearing its final height of about 2,600 feet.



He shaped that skyscraper while at the Chicago office of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill.

In a telephone interview Monday from Dubai, Smith sounded optimistic that the projects would go ahead because of Dubai's sizzling economy and shortage of office space there. He acknowledged, however, that a global slowdown could stop them.

"There is a national drive here—and has been for five to six years—to make Dubai the first real major city of the 21st Century," Smith said. "Part of that plan is a belief that if you build it, they will come."

The four projects are:

•1 Dubai, which will consist of three interconnected towers, each taller than 2,000 feet, housing hotels, offices, shops and condominiums. The mega-structure would have more than 13 million square feet, making it one of the world's largest as well as tallest complexes. The developer still must acquire land, Smith said.

•1 Park Avenue, another mixed-use tower that would rise about 1,800 feet, its undulating form evoking Dubai's heritage of pearl trading. The project would contain more than 4 million square feet of offices, condominiums, apartments and hotel rooms. Excavation has begun, Smith said.

•Park Gate, which would consist of six midrise towers arranged in facing pairs, creating a shaded garden space comparable to Middle Eastern markets. The mixed-use project would allow energy from one building to be shared with another. Foundation work has begun, Smith said.

•Meraas Tower, a mixed-use skyscraper, about 1,800 feet tall, combining hotel space, offices and living units. The developers need to buy and clear the site, Smith said, and construction won't start for two years.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/featur...,5166021.story
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Old October 7th, 2008, 01:32 PM   #223
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Incredible!

The smaller towers should be, at least, 400 meters tall
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Old October 7th, 2008, 01:45 PM   #224
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is symply espectacular a milestone for humanity
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Old October 7th, 2008, 01:48 PM   #225
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The design will probably still change alot just like Burj Dubai render did.

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Old October 7th, 2008, 01:59 PM   #226
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This would be a good thing IMHO
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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:05 PM   #227
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And the last one is the best design for me !!

Hope the same will happen to this one here !!
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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:20 PM   #228
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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:26 PM   #229
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Just funny how we figured out the height of this thing by counting the number of pixels against burj dubai. LOL
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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:33 PM   #230
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are you 100% sure that the Nakheel tower in the comparrisions is at true scale? I don´t think so!
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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:37 PM   #231
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exactly, thats why I find it amusing and soon enough we'll find out the exact official height of the tower and forget about the current 'more than 1000m' announcement. It could be 1140m who knows?
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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:50 PM   #232
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exactly, thats why I find it amusing and soon enough we'll find out the exact official height of the tower and forget about the current 'more than 1000m' announcement. It could be 1140m who knows?
I am 100% sure that Nakheel will do everything to be sure they are building the next WTB/WTS. They can easily add another hundred meters or so. We will see what will be released friday in Jeddah. Than i expect an answer from Nakheel. But if the Jeddah guys release a tower which´s proposal aims a mile high tower, than it´s still only on papers. But Nakheel is already making site preperations. A big difference i think.

Ahhhhh this week is so exciting skyscraperwise.
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This building has nothing on my boner.
Thus making all the other buildings look like micropenises
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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:53 PM   #234
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with the money Dubai has spent on frivolous projects it could have single handedly made nuclear fusion viable and have plants running currently. i have heard estimates of 1.5 trillion dollars spent on projects in Dubai. o well
With the money the US spent on the war in Iraq plus the bailout for its criminalized financial institutions, it would be hard to call what Dubai has done a waste of money. In fact, because of projects like these Dubai is firmly on the world map, both in a physically domineering and psychologically overpowering fashion. So people such as ourselves, who would otherwise likely not have heard of the place, are talking about it and discussing its various developments... Thus this is mega-marketing at its best, and while Dubai isn't the first to go this route, it's arguably the best in history. I mean this tiny emirate wasn't on anyone's radar screen 20 years ago, and now we can't stop talking about it.

Once upon a time NY wowed the world, and at the time many Europeans thought its skyscrapers were a tasteless show of wealth funneled by a moronic waste of valuable ressources. Yet look at how NY positioned itself only to surpass former alpha cities such as Paris, London, Rome, etc...

Now it would seem that it's Dubai's turn to excite the best and worst emotions in humankind. Beyond the emotions it may also push the boundaries of global trade and economic development, thus establishing itself once and for all as the success story of the early 21st century.

PS: Great tower... Go Dubai!
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Old October 7th, 2008, 05:42 PM   #235
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OK, although I am really speechless and amazed by all these supersupertall bulldings which have now been officially revealed, I seriously start asking myself questions. First of all I am a bit sceptic regarding the financial/real estate crisis which we all face right now and which is not over yet. Then what about inflation? Even if labor/human resources as well as resources over all seem to be affordable right now you have to think about growing prices over the next ten to 20 years!
Next, I serious doubts about the usefulness of all these towers. Who shall occupy all these buildings? They would have to import millions of people from India or China or something, maybe the workers who build them should stay there to occupy the towers, but where in the world does Dubai think they can recruit so many people to live and work there? They may have an increasing birth rate, but this is just too much (except that we go back to the Star Wars Coruscant idea and maybe add that Dubai produces a clone army or something).
Then, again, as appealing I may find all these unbelievable projects, I don't see any efforts of innovation in terms of green technology. You can prove me wrong, but I see a huge potential of green energy solutions in these towers just vaporizing because they are not going to be used. Think of solar panels/windows, wind energy (well if the Anara Tower indeed features a wind wheel I would appreciate this much) and such. Instead, these supertall towers will consume huge amounts of energy, which is everything else than green thinking. Maybe Dubai has a plan of erecting a huge solar power plant in the desert? Hiw about that? This is something they should really think about.
Of course, all these towers are a leap ahead in technology and deserve a lot of respect, just the fact to dare such things unlike earlier visions is worth an applause, but seriously, how many supertall projects over 300m do we have now for Dubai? If all these so called placeholders in the models and renders of Nakheel, Emaar etc. turn out to be more than this and thus also be built, there must be at least a hundred of them. What will this cost, how much space will there be created, how many people do you need to fill them up and how much resources does it take to build them?
Somehow I really begin to draw parallels to a certain Albert Speer and Germania - gigantomanic buildings exceeding all scales and limits! But who knows, maybe Dubai can prove me wrong show to the world that all their visions come true (in every respect)!
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Cyman, it's all just to be the best, they won't make profits with it but that's not really what those sheiks and sultans worry about. It's just prestige. And good idea with the green energy stuff. But it's much easier to get nuclear energy, only problem is you get alot of radioactive waste. But it's still much easier and less expansive as building solar towers etc.
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Next, I serious doubts about the usefulness of all these towers. Who shall occupy all these buildings? They would have to import millions of people from India or China or something, maybe the workers who build them should stay there to occupy the towers, but where in the world does Dubai think they can recruit so many people to live and work there?
Even if this tower and the rest of 600m+ skyscrapers being built in dubai aren't going to get occupied as much as they expected to be, its also for the attraction and tourism purpose. I think Dubai's idea is not to build shred loads of between 200-300m skyscrapers which aren't gonna get recognised but build the ones that are gonna get recognised and which are gonna get people to come back to Dubai and see them again and again. These towers with significant height and designs do just that.
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Cyman, it's all just to be the best, they won't make profits with it but that's not really what those sheiks and sultans worry about. It's just prestige. And good idea with the green energy stuff. But it's much easier to get nuclear energy, only problem is you get alot of radioactive waste. But it's still much easier and less expansive as building solar towers etc.
I see what you are talking about and I think that indeed profit doesn't play a big role in all these projects, this is obvious.
About energy, especially nuclear energy, I have to say that I don't agree with you (OK, this is a bit OT):
first of all, it is an illusion (spread by the Nuclear Lobby) that nuclear energy is clean and safe, because it is not (could give reasons here, but this is way too OT and would be just too long and probably lead to a debate/dispute). Then, secondly, using green technology may be more expensive, but the more people use it, the cheaper it becomes and also supports further development and progress in this section. Furthermore, this has a positive effect on the economy and also creates new jobs. But for now it seems that only those countries and companies who have realized this take advantage of the present ignorant situation of the majority of the world, because these green pioneers can extend their market share and profit from the above mentioned effects on economy and employment.
So, to sum it up, it would be a very smart step of Dubai to invest in durable and environmental friendly technology, renewable energy and such. Not only because money doesn't seem to play a big role in all these projects anyway, but especially because this technology will only become cheaper in the future.
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OK, although I am really speechless and amazed by all these supersupertall bulldings which have now been officially revealed, I seriously start asking myself questions. First of all I am a bit sceptic regarding the financial/real estate crisis which we all face right now and which is not over yet. Then what about inflation? Even if labor/human resources as well as resources over all seem to be affordable right now you have to think about growing prices over the next ten to 20 years!
Next, I serious doubts about the usefulness of all these towers. Who shall occupy all these buildings? They would have to import millions of people from India or China or something, maybe the workers who build them should stay there to occupy the towers, but where in the world does Dubai think they can recruit so many people to live and work there? They may have an increasing birth rate, but this is just too much (except that we go back to the Star Wars Coruscant idea and maybe add that Dubai produces a clone army or something).
Then, again, as appealing I may find all these unbelievable projects, I don't see any efforts of innovation in terms of green technology. You can prove me wrong, but I see a huge potential of green energy solutions in these towers just vaporizing because they are not going to be used. Think of solar panels/windows, wind energy (well if the Anara Tower indeed features a wind wheel I would appreciate this much) and such. Instead, these supertall towers will consume huge amounts of energy, which is everything else than green thinking. Maybe Dubai has a plan of erecting a huge solar power plant in the desert? Hiw about that? This is something they should really think about.
Of course, all these towers are a leap ahead in technology and deserve a lot of respect, just the fact to dare such things unlike earlier visions is worth an applause, but seriously, how many supertall projects over 300m do we have now for Dubai? If all these so called placeholders in the models and renders of Nakheel, Emaar etc. turn out to be more than this and thus also be built, there must be at least a hundred of them. What will this cost, how much space will there be created, how many people do you need to fill them up and how much resources does it take to build them?
Somehow I really begin to draw parallels to a certain Albert Speer and Germania - gigantomanic buildings exceeding all scales and limits! But who knows, maybe Dubai can prove me wrong show to the world that all their visions come true (in every respect)!
For a tower to be energy efficient you don't necessarily need a massive windmill or solar panel on top. For example in the Atrium City Towers (One Dubai) they are aiming to save 60% of energy in various ways. One system that they're using will be to use the difference in temperatures between the top and bottom and use that to save on cooling the tower.
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@dequal, do you not know how the world works?

The developers don't build something just because they can afford it, they build things because it'll generate revenue and profit.

What I'm saying is that investers are LEAVING Dubai, and the world is feeling a global crisis at the moment, who's going to pay for this?

Dubai has a great plan but some things that have come out recently just aren't feasable.


Now we've got

Burj Dubai - 800m

Naheel Harbour Tower - 1,140m

Silk City Kuwait - 1,300m

Mile Tower Saudi - 1,600m


Dubai built the first super tall to get the world's attention, it did, so what is the purpose of this 1,000m new tower? It's not like there isn't enough land at the moment.

Let's also add that Dubai doesn't give out residence permits the way they used to and revoked alot of foreigners promised RPs for buying properties.
1st the Mile Tower in Saudi is not a mile high anymore, it had to be reduced down to just over 1,000m's. 2nd Silk City Kuwait is not 1,300m its 1,001m
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