DUBAI | Nakheel Tower | 1000m+ | 3280ft+ | 200 fl+ | Cancelled - Page 50

phillybud · January 5th, 2009, 12:30 AM

Dubai growth has been outstanding and remarkable in the past decade or so. The point that is was just a town at the edge of the desert until just a generation ago is well taken. From very modest beginnings we are seeing a world class city rising.

Comparisons with New York, London, Hong Kong, etc should not be made. Dubai will never have the vast historic and cultural infrastructure of New York - museums, galleries, fashion industry, opera, ballet, music venues, legitimate and experimental theater, etc. etc. Remember the US has something like 310,000,000 people; how many people live in the UAE?

What Dubai has done was manage to promote itself with tall buildings and mega events so that it has captured a lot of attention and the world's spotlight on a city that is not that large nor politically influential. In that regard Dubai is a great success and it's citizens have a right to be proud.

m3nyun · January 5th, 2009, 04:02 AM

i think it's crazy...that's all

patchay · January 5th, 2009, 01:34 PM

I agree comparing Dubai and USA is simply ridiculous!

I think a better, realistic comparison with Dubai is Singapore. Both have small population base trying to be very successful entrepot and financial hub for their respective region. Both are quite successful in attracting international investors and international talents to help stimulate the local economy, particularly in real estate, tourism and finance, partly because of government initiatives and their connectivity to huge economies in Europe and Asia.

It's no wonder that Dubai will join the list of global financial centres in a few years time!

SpaceScraper · January 5th, 2009, 04:51 PM

Dubai's efforts to create a great financial center has been only moderately successful. The stock and commodity markets are straining to list new companies and commodity contracts. The biggest hurdles to the Dubai's financial success is that the Middle East has a modest number of publically listed companies based there, the Middles East is not densely populated, Islamic based laws in the Middle East make modern finance complicated, unliberalized labor markets limit real economic growth and its commodity dependant economies are a source of volatility, which most investors avoid.

Tokyo, Singapore, London, New York, Hong Kong and Chicago all have better fundamentals as financial centers. Though Dubai may join the ranks of these financial centers, it will never exceed them without demographic, structural and cultural changes.

NoAllegiance · January 5th, 2009, 05:36 PM

well put spacescraper, my thoughts precisely!

devilsadvocate · January 5th, 2009, 05:42 PM

So the construction has started...
Does anyone have pics of the site?

Dubai is becoming the "simcity" for all rich people, if you look at all those buildings!

It's a pity, that Dubai isn't located in the US... That would be so awesome!!!

daniel_zg · January 5th, 2009, 05:48 PM

Population of Dubai:
1822 1,200
1900 10,000
1930 20,000
1940 38 000
1954 20 000
1960 40 000
1968 58 971
1975 183 00
1985 370 800
1995 674 000
2005 1 204 000
2020 ?????????

It's still growing so fast.

CrazyAboutCities · January 5th, 2009, 06:01 PM

I thought Dubai was tiny town almost 20 years ago? I seen the pictures of Dubai before booms on the magazines and some websites a while ago that Dubai was nothing but fishing town. No skyscrapers, malls, etc. Just simple town with big desert surrounding to it.

***christos-greece*** · January 5th, 2009, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillybud

Dubai growth has been outstanding and remarkable in the past decade or so. The point that is was just a town at the edge of the desert until just a generation ago is well taken. From very modest beginnings we are seeing a world class city rising.

Indeed... today Dubai is one of most greatest cities in the world.
And one with the highest towers in the world too...

JyeJye · January 5th, 2009, 06:12 PM

My god!! Is this competition?? Madness!!
Dubai growth futuristic building~

I don't understand what purpose they spending such big amount of money for.........
Once the enconomy crisis impact hit Dubai..all of the project will be suspended..........

Dark Matter · January 5th, 2009, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JyeJye

My god!! Is this competition?? Madness!!
Dubai growth futuristic building~

I don't understand what purpose they spending such big amount of money for.........
Once the enconomy crisis impact hit Dubai..all of the project will be suspended..........

It's already hit Dubai (Including the whole world), but it's only slowed the progress. Yes some projects have been put on hold, but not all of them.

saeed · January 5th, 2009, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel_zg

Population of Dubai:
1822 1,200
1900 10,000
1930 20,000
1940 38 000
1954 20 000
1960 40 000
1968 58 971
1975 183 00
1985 370 800
1995 674 000
2005 1 204 000
2020 ?????????

It's still growing so fast.

ok if you read the news paper 2 weeks ago regarding the year end population in UAE, here is the big news: 7.3 million !!!!!!!!!
so I almost can swear that Dubai only have now more than 3.5 million if not reached 4 as we speak!!
and dont think its unrealistic, cause labour minestry said it issued more than 850 000 new work permits for the state of dubai only in 2008!!!!

gorgos · January 5th, 2009, 10:39 PM

I think comparing Dubai with New York, Paris or London is rather useless.
Singapore and Hong Kong seem much more appropriate.

Dubai is never going to play an important geopolitical role, solemnly because of its insignificant size.

To me Dubai is showing all the signs of a boom-bust cycle (like we are seeing now in Spain). I hope I am wrong. I think the energy and easy with how new projects are handled is refreshing. I do think many times the size is more impressive then the actual architecture used, which is a shame really.

gorgos · January 5th, 2009, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joy Machine

Yeah, that was actually a problem with that lame freedom tower. Building costs were rising an average of 1% a month and when you're talking all the 0's after this, that 1% is a lot. I'm not sure what they are at now, but I know if copper especially has gone down, then that will be a cost relief for projects, same with the other metals involved.

Reebar for concrete has gone down a staggering 70% compared to july 2008. Problem is, a lot of large projects hedge their materials just like airlines hedge their fuel. This way, not everybody can profit.

gorgos · January 5th, 2009, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarott

still the huge difference astonishes. but maybe it is the case with more habitable floors. and besides that burj dubai is getting narow..er? with increasing height, and this does not... someone steal some technical plans please? :F

I think you are right. The Nakheel´s footprint is much bigger and goes all the way up. A tower of 450m is only 3 times as high as 150m tower, but has a floorplan 9 times as large and a volume 27 times as large compared to a similar proportioned building. Volumes play tricks with the imagination.

spotila · January 6th, 2009, 12:00 AM

http://uaeinteract.com/docs/Expat_gr...ap__/32128.htm

The ratio of foreign to local population in the UAE has remained high in the past years and is expected to widen in the future because of a rapid growth in expatriates, official figures showed yesterday.
The country's total population was estimated at around 4.48 million at the end of 2007 and is projected to grow 6.12 per cent to nearly 4.76 million at the end of 2008 and by 6.31 per cent to 5.06 million at the end of 2009, showed the figures by the Ministry of Economy.
Dubai is projected to outnumber Abu Dhabi for the first time at the end of this year and in 2009, while Sharjah will remain the third largest populated emirate.

great184 · January 6th, 2009, 04:35 PM

I've heard on a radio news channel today that a 1km proposal was put on-hold in Dubai. So was "The World" phase 2. Is there truth in their statements? And if so, knowing that are frequent inaccuracies in Media statistics, could it have been the Nakheel Tower or Burj Dubai?

***christos-greece*** · January 6th, 2009, 07:21 PM

Burj Dubai is not a proposal any more... is almost t/o

Triceratops · January 6th, 2009, 07:46 PM

guys, can someone tell me, please, what's happening with Nakheel Tower project at the moment? is it u/c already because I heard it's on hold?

Rody69 · January 6th, 2009, 07:48 PM

I didnt hear anything like that!!

but I hope they still working on it..it's simply stunning.

January 5th, 2009, 12:30 AM	#981
phillybud Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Posts: 829 Likes (Received): 0	Dubai growth has been outstanding and remarkable in the past decade or so. The point that is was just a town at the edge of the desert until just a generation ago is well taken. From very modest beginnings we are seeing a world class city rising. Comparisons with New York, London, Hong Kong, etc should not be made. Dubai will never have the vast historic and cultural infrastructure of New York - museums, galleries, fashion industry, opera, ballet, music venues, legitimate and experimental theater, etc. etc. Remember the US has something like 310,000,000 people; how many people live in the UAE? What Dubai has done was manage to promote itself with tall buildings and mega events so that it has captured a lot of attention and the world's spotlight on a city that is not that large nor politically influential. In that regard Dubai is a great success and it's citizens have a right to be proud. __________________ "Only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein

January 5th, 2009, 05:36 PM	#985
NoAllegiance Allegiance Aint What I Do Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hartford Posts: 103 Likes (Received): 0	well put spacescraper, my thoughts precisely! __________________ "There are new sights in the sky. Twenty years ago, when one gazed at the heavens, one would see the stars, the moon, the sun, clouds and an occasional comet or two. Now, however, here in the streets of New York City, a few neighbors have moved in. These are made, not of gasses nor water nor dust, but of steel and stone and concrete. These neighbors are not carved by the hands of nature, but by the hands of men. These neighbors are buildings that scrape the sky." -1930's quote, author unknown.

January 5th, 2009, 05:42 PM	#986
devilsadvocate Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Landeshauptstadt Hannover Posts: 3,554 Likes (Received): 4	So the construction has started... Does anyone have pics of the site? Dubai is becoming the "simcity" for all rich people, if you look at all those buildings! It's a pity, that Dubai isn't located in the US... That would be so awesome!!! __________________ Wiederaufbau der Flusswasserkunst Hannover Last edited by devilsadvocate; January 5th, 2009 at 05:47 PM.

January 5th, 2009, 05:48 PM	#987
daniel_zg Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Zielona Góra/ Wrocław Posts: 513 Likes (Received): 0	Population of Dubai: 1822 1,200 1900 10,000 1930 20,000 1940 38 000 1954 20 000 1960 40 000 1968 58 971 1975 183 00 1985 370 800 1995 674 000 2005 1 204 000 2020 ????????? It's still growing so fast. __________________ "Niech się mury pną do góry..."

January 5th, 2009, 10:39 PM	#993
gorgos Μπιουτιφοooυλ... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Thessaloniki Posts: 576 Likes (Received): 0	I think comparing Dubai with New York, Paris or London is rather useless. Singapore and Hong Kong seem much more appropriate. Dubai is never going to play an important geopolitical role, solemnly because of its insignificant size. To me Dubai is showing all the signs of a boom-bust cycle (like we are seeing now in Spain). I hope I am wrong. I think the energy and easy with how new projects are handled is refreshing. I do think many times the size is more impressive then the actual architecture used, which is a shame really. __________________ Δεν φτιάχνουν οι άντρες τις οικοδομές, αλλά οι οικοδομές τους άντρες.

January 5th, 2009, 04:02 AM	#982
m3nyun made in Indonesia Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sukoharjo - Balikpapan - Banjarmasin - Karanganyar Posts: 1,088	i think it's crazy...that's all

January 5th, 2009, 04:51 PM	#984
SpaceScraper SpaceScraper Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 160 Likes (Received): 0	Dubai's efforts to create a great financial center has been only moderately successful. The stock and commodity markets are straining to list new companies and commodity contracts. The biggest hurdles to the Dubai's financial success is that the Middle East has a modest number of publically listed companies based there, the Middles East is not densely populated, Islamic based laws in the Middle East make modern finance complicated, unliberalized labor markets limit real economic growth and its commodity dependant economies are a source of volatility, which most investors avoid. Tokyo, Singapore, London, New York, Hong Kong and Chicago all have better fundamentals as financial centers. Though Dubai may join the ranks of these financial centers, it will never exceed them without demographic, structural and cultural changes.

January 5th, 2009, 06:01 PM	#988
CrazyAboutCities Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 8,324 Likes (Received): 15	I thought Dubai was tiny town almost 20 years ago? I seen the pictures of Dubai before booms on the magazines and some websites a while ago that Dubai was nothing but fishing town. No skyscrapers, malls, etc. Just simple town with big desert surrounding to it.

January 5th, 2009, 06:12 PM	#990
JyeJye Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Eden~ Posts: 81 Likes (Received): 0	My god!! Is this competition?? Madness!! Dubai growth futuristic building~ I don't understand what purpose they spending such big amount of money for......... Once the enconomy crisis impact hit Dubai..all of the project will be suspended..........

January 6th, 2009, 12:00 AM	#996
spotila SSC Mapper Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,535 Likes (Received): 6	http://uaeinteract.com/docs/Expat_gr...ap__/32128.htm The ratio of foreign to local population in the UAE has remained high in the past years and is expected to widen in the future because of a rapid growth in expatriates, official figures showed yesterday. The country's total population was estimated at around 4.48 million at the end of 2007 and is projected to grow 6.12 per cent to nearly 4.76 million at the end of 2008 and by 6.31 per cent to 5.06 million at the end of 2009, showed the figures by the Ministry of Economy. Dubai is projected to outnumber Abu Dhabi for the first time at the end of this year and in 2009, while Sharjah will remain the third largest populated emirate.

January 6th, 2009, 04:35 PM	#997
great184 visionary Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Miami-Manila-Bohol Posts: 1,589 Likes (Received): 40	I've heard on a radio news channel today that a 1km proposal was put on-hold in Dubai. So was "The World" phase 2. Is there truth in their statements? And if so, knowing that are frequent inaccuracies in Media statistics, could it have been the Nakheel Tower or Burj Dubai? __________________ Arguably, one of the best 3d cities in SSC - South Sea Central http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1536278

January 6th, 2009, 07:21 PM	#998
*christos-greece* Moderator! Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 73,595 Likes (Received): 3217	Burj Dubai is not a proposal any more... is almost t/o __________________ Urban Showcase: Athens Kalamata Trikala Thessaloniki Cityscapes: Paris Barcelona Dubai, U.A.E. Monte Carlo, Monaco General photography: Castles of France - Chateau de France and, since May of '08: Greece!

January 6th, 2009, 07:46 PM	#999
Triceratops Labor Omnia Vincit Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Riga Posts: 3,649 Likes (Received): 0	guys, can someone tell me, please, what's happening with Nakheel Tower project at the moment? is it u/c already because I heard it's on hold? __________________ There are no borders, there are only obstacles

January 6th, 2009, 07:48 PM	#1000
Rody69 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jeddah-London Posts: 2,107 Likes (Received): 207	I didnt hear anything like that!! but I hope they still working on it..it's simply stunning.

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