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Old December 31st, 2016, 07:23 PM   #421
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...also the railway line Arad - Timisoara - Craiova - Bucuresti is in a relatively bad condition... any plans for reconstruction here?
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Old December 31st, 2016, 07:55 PM   #422
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...also the railway line Arad - Timisoara - Craiova - Bucuresti is in a relatively bad condition... any plans for reconstruction here?
Yes, Arad - Timisoara has a priority in the Romanian Masterplan of Infrastructure.
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Old January 4th, 2017, 01:18 PM   #423
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Yes, Arad - Timisoara has a priority in the Romanian Masterplan of Infrastructure.
And so does Bucuresti - Craiova.
See the programme of the new government:
http://www.cdep.ro/pdfs/oz/Program%20de%20Guvernare.pdf
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Old January 4th, 2017, 11:27 PM   #424
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And so does Bucuresti - Craiova.
See the programme of the new government:
http://www.cdep.ro/pdfs/oz/Program%20de%20Guvernare.pdf
Thanks for the link.
The investment amount for Bucuresti - Craiova according to this document (page 110) is only 68 mln EUR - that's not much for a double-track 210 km line. Anyone knowing what's covered by this investment? A reconstruction for 160 km/h would certainly cost much more.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 09:35 PM   #425
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New railway company enters Romanian market, vowing luxury conditions


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AstraTranscarpatic will enter the Romania railroad market in the upcoming days to directly compete with CFR Calatori. The private company vows to introduce several luxury routes for western country and even abroad to Vienna.

AstraTranscarpatic is part of the Astra Vagoane Călători Arad holding, controlled by renowned businessman Valer Blidar, majority stockholder of ASTRA VAGOANE CALATORI holding. The company kicked off tests with a 100% Romanian train which will operate on Arad-Bucharest route and which is set to provide luxury conditions. The commercial rides will be introduced in mid-January.

According to Valer Blidar, the train will offer luxury conditions, with sleeping cars equipped with shower enclosures and luxury design interior. The train will have attendants and the price at the sleeping cars will include coffee, water and sandwiches.

In a first stage, there will be two railway engines with 12 carriages that will form two garnitures. A train will have six carriages, two sleeping cars, two couchettes and a class one.

The total investment mounts to EUR 18-20 M.

For the first rides, tickets could be bought directly from the train, then online and later on, from the main railway stations.










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Old January 11th, 2017, 12:20 AM   #426
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YouTube user “DPS Romania-trains” made something that earlier wasn't done and by this I mean filmed whole rail line from Bucuresti through Craiova to Timisoara. It is a back view filmed most probably from buffer attached camera but as there isn't any front view the backwards is also acceptable.

Second part should automatically pop up but if that won't happen than here is a link to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VHzzWfB3Bs
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Old January 14th, 2017, 08:07 AM   #427
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Do you guys think Romanian railways would be in better shape, 10+ years from now?
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Old January 14th, 2017, 10:46 AM   #428
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Probably by then Brasov-Curtici will be nearly modernised. Sadly, the rest of the system will likely degrade even more due to lack of funds. So I guess the situation will be slightly better.
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Old January 14th, 2017, 11:14 PM   #429
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I find it sad that countries like Romania let their rail systems degrade. They are repeating the mistakes other countries have done in the past.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 05:15 PM   #430
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Romanian railway system was one of the most important railway network in the region 30 years ago (some used to name it the second army of the country), but due to lack of funds and an ongoing underfund of the system it begins slowly, but step by step to degrade after the collapse of the overdeveloped communist economy.

After 1990 it continue to have good railways, but from 2000 on after 20 years of unfunding it hit the rock bottom and somewhere in 2010-2012 CFR has the lowest number of passengers in its history.


In the last years things seems to improve since new sections from the IV corridor were opened, but this is not enough when you have such a huge system. On the other hand number of passengers are increasing year by year again and the CFR passenger company renew the fleet of carriages.

I would say the system is under reorganisation, but the reorganisation is slowly because CFR has to find another ways to reborn, like advertising, competitiveness on some routes where the national roads are stucked by trafic jams and it's really hard to convince people to give up to take cars instead of the trains.

The passengers transport is funded by state everywhere in east and central Europe countries and it is not lucrative as freight trains, and the number of freight train on corrdior IV increase, but when it comes to other railways on the east part of the country everything is a dead end regarding the transport with Ukraine for instance which means a close point of Europe. The same it is with Bulgaria where everything stops to Danube even theoretically the new bridge should break the isolation. But a bridge it's not enough when both banks of the Danube lose population and you are in the middle of nowhere for over 60 km on both sides.

I was in December 2016 with international train IC 73 Bononia, Sofia Budapest, both ways. I was only for a trip with a friend because we knew it was one of the last ride of this train. There was only one passenger from Sofia to Budapest, and English man who took a ticket a vagon lit. The train between Craiova and Mezdra goes in a literally no man's land and the two "international" carriages were attached to Regio trains in both countries Romania and Bulgaria. This is not the ordinary Europe. The train was canceled this year, btw. This is an example of how things works.

The Hungarian company, MAV is in a better position than CFR, but MAV operates mostly in Central Europe. The MAV trains goes in Slovakia, Austria, Croatia and Transylvania and these countries are very close each other which allows transporting an increase number of traditional pessengers and transport. Yes, Transylvania is the most connected part of Romania by train, with several trains on days to Budapest, some via Cluj and Central Transylvania and the other ones on Mures Valley on the south and in this case there are a lot of passengers, but even so, fewer than Slovakia or Austria.

MAV is lucky to have another geographical position which makes the transition easy, the traditional sister ÖBB railway system which implies some Railjet trains which is not the case for Romania..

PS. The degrade of the railsystem is actually an issue with a broader involvement and should be seen in this context. For sure CFR could become in an indefinte future a model again, but to become a model we should have other perspectives with neighbouring countries.

Romanian railways are unfortunately in a grey area, but for sure things are improving. Many buildings were rehabilitated with platforms btw. We already passed the lowest point from the history of CFR.

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Old January 17th, 2017, 06:59 PM   #431
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Romanian railway system was one of the most important railway network in the region 30 years ago (some used to name it the second army of the country), but due to lack of funds and an ongoing underfund of the system it begins slowly, but step by step to degrade after the collapse of the overdeveloped communist economy.
I do not agree with this statement, esp. comparing today's funding schemes with the "overdeveloped communist economy".
The underfunding has started in the 1910s already.
What happened to the Romanian railway network is what happened with most of the railway systems in Europe (esp. in the east and southeast).
95% of the rail network was built between 1840 and 1890. From then the network was heavily used.
The big rail construction era in Europe ended at the start of the First World War, if not earlier. The two World Wars took its toll on the network.
The regimes in Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, etc. have decided that the rail network will form the backbone of the passenger and cargo transport. However, these regimes have just invested the bare minimum to keep the trains moving.
When looking at East Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Soviet Union, Romania I cannot see that any significant number of new lines were built between 1945 and 1990. The CMK in Poland is an exception.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 07:09 PM   #432
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I cannot see that any new lines were built between 1945 and 1990. The CMK in Poland is an exception.
Is there actually a real need for new lines?
In a few regions maybe.
Mostly needed is upgrading, renewing, doubling and in some cases elctrification of existing lines. CEE is less inhabited that Western Europe or some parts of China.

And that shows that the concept of maintenance doesn't exists in CEE countries.

But to say nothing was done '45-'90 is incorrect:
The electrification and massive investments in electric loco's and security shows that on main lines investments have been made during the communist era.
It was unfortunately limited to the backbone network, but got IHMO more attention than road infrastructure.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 09:14 PM   #433
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I do not agree with this statement, esp. comparing today's funding schemes with the "overdeveloped communist economy".
upgrading, double-tracking and electrification, correction and some rectification of tracks, were made during communist regime when the economy was overdeveloped and there were lots of freight trains on railways. CFR Marfa the state-owned freight railway company was one of the largest stated-owned company from Europe at that time. Let's take the huge railyards built for forming and stabling trains which are useless nowadays.

The collapse, poor condition and scanty maintenance of the Romanian railways begun after 1990 when all huge railway complex were out of service, the rails are the same, they already have 40 years and no one change them while flacking and cracking every day in different part of the country.

This is about funding, not about 1900 completed railways almost everywhere in Europe.

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Old January 17th, 2017, 09:31 PM   #434
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The Eastern Bloc economies between 1945 and 1990 had no other chance than rely on the rail network, esp. for passenger transport. The economies could not produce enough cars for people (contrary to USA and Western Europe), hence, they needed another transportation offering.
Electrification was done in order to save natural resources (oil, coal -> the Soviet Union also wanted sth. in return).

You were talking about cargo transport between 1945 and 1990.
The magic word is Comecon (Council for Mutual Economic Assistance).
It was the trade framework for the Eastern Bloc countries. In a plan economy each country were tasked to produce certain goods (buses in Hungary; locomotives in East Germany etc.). These products were often transported by cargo trains. Natural ressources came from the Soviet Union to the Eastern Bloc. Everything was centrally managed.
When you say "overdeveloped" -> I may say this Comecon system was not as efficient as the trade relationship in the Western World.

After 1990 Comecon collapsed - the need for a big centralized rail cargo transport diminished. That has led to the demise of the rail cargo business - the underfunding after 1990 is not the main culprit.
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Old January 26th, 2017, 08:36 AM   #435
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Romania’s railway company plans to introduce special wagons for passengers’ cars


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Those who travel abroad from Romania may have a new reason for doing it by train, as state-owned railway passenger carrier CFR Calatori plans to introduce special wagons that would carry the passengers’ cars. Tourists would thus have the possibility of taking their cars with them in their holidays without the hassle of driving long distances.

CFR Calatori general manager Iosif Szentes said in an interview for local Agerpres that this could be done by attaching special wagons to the international trains. A first test could be done in June this year, for the train from Bucharest to Thessaloniki, Greece.

The manager believes that this new service would bring more clients to CFR Calatori. According to him, the service could be expanded to other international trains traveling to Budapest or Vienna.

“Even if the time to reach the destination is longer by train, at least the trip is done in conditions of comfort, and the passengers aren’t exposed to certain dangers during the journey. So, this is in our attention and I hope that we’ll be able to finalize it, one way or another,” Iosif Szentes said.

CFR Calatori already has two wagons that could be used for this project, but it could also acquire some new ones. The pilot-test could start on June 1, when the summer season begins, but the special wagons would have to go through some repairs first, the general manager added.

In the future, CFR Calatori could also add special wagons to the international trains where people can leave their bikes or skis, Iosif Szentes also said. Moreover, introducing free Wi-Fi internet in all passengers trains and modernizing some of the wagons and locomotives are also among CFR Calatori’s objectives.

CFR Calatori registered a profit of RON 32.8 million (EUR 7.3 million) in 2016, and carried more than 52 million passengers, according to Iosif Szentes.

Romania’s state-owned railway carrier introduces special wagon for bikers and skiers
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Old January 27th, 2017, 07:43 PM   #436
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Its stupid..Yugoslavian Railways had direct lines Belgrade-Malmö(Sweden)..To Moscow..To Istanbul..To Atheens,To Hamburg,Paris,Rome,Vienna,Berlin..etc..
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Old February 26th, 2017, 07:37 PM   #437
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These coaches were built for Regiojet (look at the basic color scheme), but after the deal fell through the manufacturer decided to start a train operating company itself. Softronic did about the same thing with Softrans, using their Coradia Minuetto in disguise called Hyperion.

Anyway, the first Romanian-built Corail coaches, the AVA200 are (finally !) getting repainted in the Intercity colors (like the newer series):
http://vagonweb.cz/fotogalerie/RO/CFR_B11-2190.php

It does make me sad though that these cars from the late '90s are only receiving a minor refreshment (just new seat covers), while the 1980's GDR-made (Bautzen/Görlitz) or Romanian-built (IVA) coaches are getting the full-blown treatment:

http://forum.lokomotiv.ro/viewtopic.php?t=13989
http://forum.lokomotiv.ro/viewtopic.php?f=160&t=6842
https://forum.metrouusor.com/viewtop...t=719&start=14 (same series as above, but with also interior photos of the 1st class variant)
https://forum.metrouusor.com/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=731 (coaches for semi-express trains)
http://forum.lokomotiv.ro/viewtopic.php?t=9662 (ex- 71-80 series, built by DWA Bautzen)

Unfortunately, after their main refurbishment they also seem to get little car body maintenance.. Just look at page 3 of the forum topic about the 20-83 series: flaking paint revealing rust patches, paint becoming matte, chalk writing on the coaches, ...

I'm hoping CFR will manage to improve maintenance in the future, but given the present example I am somewhat doubtful..
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Old February 27th, 2017, 04:28 AM   #438
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News concerning the Romanian night trains 29-31 March as seen today in Curtici.
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Old February 27th, 2017, 10:36 AM   #439
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So the night trains Bucharest-Budapest for about a week will run via Sibiu rather than Sighisoara. Is that really of interest here? The lines ran via Sibiu for several months last year due to construction.
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Old February 27th, 2017, 06:42 PM   #440
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So the night trains Bucharest-Budapest for about a week will run via Sibiu rather than Sighisoara. Is that really of interest here? The lines ran via Sibiu for several months last year due to construction.


As CFR is almost never announcing works in advance online, I posted it here. Feel free to ignore.
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