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Old January 15th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #141
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Old February 1st, 2013, 08:25 AM   #143
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CFR Awards RON500M Railway Upgrade Contract
yesterday, 17:22 By Ecaterina Craciun

Romania’s state-owned railway company CFR has awarded a contract worth 498.2 million lei (EUR113.6 million), net of VAT, for upgrades on rail sections Coslariu (Alba county) - Simeria (Hunedoara county) and Coslariu - Sighisoara (Mures county).
http://www.zfenglish.com/companies/a...tract-10535831
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Old February 1st, 2013, 08:26 AM   #144
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The European Commission on Thursday approved financing of EUR751 million to Romania for the upgrade of a railway section that will cost EUR884 million.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 10:06 AM   #145
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EUR 751 million investment in Western Romania railroad lines

The European Commission has approved a EUR 751 million investment project, financed by the cohesion fund, for works on the Sighisoara-Coslariu railroad line, which is part of the Brasov-Simeria route. The purpose of this project is to improve the transport of passengers and freight in western and central Romania. The main beneficiaries will be the Mures, Sibiu and Alba counties, whose increased accessibility will make them more attractive to investors.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 10:32 PM   #146
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It's nice that the EU invests into the infrastucture - but nobody seems to care about the output of this investments for the passengers.

The line Bucuresti - Constanta was upgraded with lots of EU money. Top speed 160 km/h.


Due to copper theft the signalization is disabled already since months on many parts of the line, which caused massive train delays (due to speed restrictions).
Passengers went away and now CFR cancelled the IC-trains between Bucuresti and Constanta due to poor ridership, see http://www.romanialibera.ro/actualit...nd-292040.html
(a German report: http://www.adz.ro/lokales/artikel-lo...za-gestrichen/, sorry I didn't find an English one)

Nobody seems to take care about the infrastructure once the line has been renovated, and there seems to be no money to replace the missing copper parts.
And also before the problems with speed limits appeared, there were only a few IC-services per day - that's nothing compared to the investment. Such a line would need hourly service or at least a service every 2 hrs.... but what's the sense of the investments, if train service continue to be so unattractive, that passengers still prefer stupid (micro)buses?!

Nobody in Brussels seems to take care about the output of such infrastructure investmenst from the passeneger's point of view...
Under such circumstances any further investment into the Romanian rail infrastructure is - unfortunately - for nothing...

Sorry for the hard words - usually I like to see when railways lines in Easzern Europa are upgraded with EU money - but not under such circumstances...


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It's very difficult to guard the infrastructure on its entire lenght. The article says the ministry of transportation will place gendarmes on the route to prevent theft, so let's see if that will help. This is not a new problem in Romania, we have some parts of population who lives off theft and destruction of public property, and thus placing the lives of other people at risk.

However, that should not prevent investment in infrastructure. The same was hapenning on Bucharest-Constanta motorway, where the protection fence was being regularly stolen. The ministry hired private security who now patrols the entire motorway. Thefts were reduced significantly since then.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 05:22 PM   #148
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Why not install fiberoptics? It does not have the same value as copper conductors on the market. After the first theft or two the thieves (we all know who they are) will surely stop all the mess.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 02:38 AM   #149
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Why not install fiberoptics? It does not have the same value as copper conductors on the market. After the first theft or two the thieves (we all know who they are) will surely stop all the mess.
The Romanian government investes exactly 0 (zero) of its money into rail-related activities, except some co-financing to EU modernization schemes. There is more or less no work on maintenance. If a 800.000.000 EUR EU co-financed railway has EUR 2.000.000 worth of damage, the damage is there to stay for months or years, regardless.

So far, Romania has failed to improve travel conditions on any segment of railways of any serious length. It is probably the only country in Europe where by and large all major lines operate at slower speeds than 25 years ago.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 10:50 AM   #150
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So far, Romania has failed to improve travel conditions on any segment of railways of any serious length. It is probably the only country in Europe where by and large all major lines operate at slower speeds than 25 years ago.
Unfortunately Romania is in good company with other CEE countries.
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Unfortunately Romania is in good company with other CEE countries.
What does CEE stand for?

Some countries in the Eastern Europe, most notably Poland, have improved their railways considerably.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 01:17 PM   #152
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What does CEE stand for?
Central and East Europe, but actually I mean SEE, South-Eastern Europe.

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Old February 3rd, 2013, 05:46 PM   #153
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Some countries in the Eastern Europe, most notably Poland, have improved their railways considerably.
+1 As did Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia or Ukraine. The worse performers are probably Romania and Serbia.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 09:36 PM   #154
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The worse performers are probably Romania and Serbia.
Do not forget Bosnia, Macedonia, and Bulgaria, all of which have failed to invest from their own budget or keep maintenance of the existing infrastructure or stock.
Romania looks much better than any of those countries. Trains are as a rule either fairly new or in good shape, stations are in good shape, and services are acceptable. At least it has made good use of EU investments. But to see that all that money just goes to waste because some repairs or a security watch seem too expensive is of course horrible. On another forum people were speculating that CFR board members actually have private profit from bus companies, letting them wish for advantages for buses over the train. How long would a trip Bucharest-Constanta be if the signal technology was upgraded?
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On another forum people were speculating that CFR board members actually have private profit from bus companies, letting them wish for advantages for buses over the train.
Source for that:
http://stirileprotv.ro/special/inter...ty-buc-ct.html
(in Romanian, but google-translatable)


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How long would a trip Bucharest-Constanta be if the signal technology was upgraded?
According to the timetable it should have taken 2,5hrs before the copper thefts. But that's still with just 140 km/h and some other speed limits.
With 160 km/h on the whole line, the 225 km-trip should not take more than 2 hrs.

Compared with Bulgaria, Serbia or Bosnia the railway in Romania is much better, especially the rolling stock.
But to be better than the railways of those countries - well, that's not really a challenge.
The problem in many Eastern countries is often the mindset of politicians, but also of many ordinary people: Railway is seen as old-fashioned communist way of transportation for poor people, any normal person doesn't use trains but has to own a big car. Some Eastern European countries seem to want to make the same mistakes in transportation politics, which were done in Western countries in the 60ies and 70ies....

But:
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Old February 4th, 2013, 05:14 PM   #156
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It's very difficult to guard the infrastructure on its entire lenght. The article says the ministry of transportation will place gendarmes on the route to prevent theft, so let's see if that will help. This is not a new problem in Romania, we have some parts of population who lives off theft and destruction of public property, and thus placing the lives of other people at risk.

However, that should not prevent investment in infrastructure. The same was hapenning on Bucharest-Constanta motorway, where the protection fence was being regularly stolen. The ministry hired private security who now patrols the entire motorway. Thefts were reduced significantly since then.
Isn't the railway line and the new motorway running next to each other most of the time so they could be patrolled at the same time? At least that is what I remember from last summer.

As I see it: If the stolen copper isn't replaced within months, the thefts as such are not even the biggest problem. What a shame.
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According to the timetable it should have taken 2,5hrs before the copper thefts. But that's still with just 140 km/h and some other speed limits.
With 160 km/h on the whole line, the 225 km-trip should not take more than 2 hrs.

Compared with Bulgaria, Serbia or Bosnia the railway in Romania is much better, especially the rolling stock.
But to be better than the railways of those countries - well, that's not really a challenge.
The problem in many Eastern countries is often the mindset of politicians, but also of many ordinary people: Railway is seen as old-fashioned communist way of transportation for poor people, any normal person doesn't use trains but has to own a big car. Some Eastern European countries seem to want to make the same mistakes in transportation politics, which were done in Western countries in the 60ies and 70ies....

But:
"A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation."
((C) Petro Gustavo, mayor of Bogota, Colombia)
Well, trains in Romania are much nicer than in Bulgaria or Serbia or Macedonia, that is true. Practically all inter-regional and inter-city trains have air-conditioning, most have plugs for laptops, even some rural lines now have air-conditioned trains.

Stations are on par with the ones in the region, save for a few exceptions. Some rural ones are falling apart and th

However, the lines are often worse. The average speed on the main lines is, in fact, smaller than in Bulgaria. So while you have a hideous car o

As for the mindset, it is both true and stupid. As your run-of-the-mill office worker, whenever I am sent on delegations, I opt for the train as the car represents wasted time. I cannot afford to lose 8 hours return on driving, when I can work the same ammount of time on my laptop and reach my workplace targets faster (thus not pushing the workload that I cannot do while traveling all over the rest of my week). Still, if those 8 hours of driving become 14 hours return on a train, things become very different as working on the train still doesn't make up for the lost office time.
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Alcatel Lucent, Alstom and Pas 97 land EUR 1.1 B railroad contract

The Ministry of Transportation signed on Friday with CFR SA a financing contract worth RON 4.98 billion (EUR 1.1 billion) for the rehabilitation of the Sighisoara-Coslariu (Alba) railway line, with a length of 89.5 kilometers. The contract is co-financed by the European Union with EUR 740 million. CFR has selected in the beginning of the year the consortium Alstom Transport - Alcatel Lucent Romania - PAS 97 for modernization works on the railway sections Coslariu (Alba) - Simeria (Hunedoara) and Coslariu - Sighisoara (Mures), with a bid of RON 498.2 million, VAT not included. (Romanian Source)
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Old February 15th, 2013, 02:03 PM   #159
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I ask you about the height of the catenary?
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my question is about Double Stacking Train, is it possible to make this standard in future?














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