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Sesquip · February 3rd, 2010, 02:52 PM

My strong hope is that in the future, random cladding will be de-randomised udring building refurbishments. It's a horrible look

cybertect · February 4th, 2010, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sesquip/CABE

Internal arrangement
The angled internal planning of the tower has produced flat layouts with too many non-orthogonal rooms that will be awkward to furnish. We think that this is an unacceptable arrangement and it seems counterintuitive to create irregular flats within a square tower.

Looks like they took one look at the CABE appraisal and said - "well, let's retain the non-orthongonal plan and make the tower not-square to keep them happy, then"

Langur · February 4th, 2010, 03:24 AM

Random cladding!!

I wish the nimbies luck in blocking this tower completely. Random cladding should be BANNED outright!!

Light Parade · February 10th, 2010, 01:24 AM

Apologies, obviously this isn't Sky Garden, but it's in Vauxhall, and since St George's, the proposals for this neck of the woods have been coming in thick and fast.

50s, 60s, 70s, even 80s buildings are tumbling down in the City and West End. I hope we'll keep a few representative samples of good stuff - not just Centre Point and RFH.

It's a personal view, but I think this is great. Of its type, of its time, but I wouldn't want to lose it. It's the brave new London I grew up with.

london lad · February 10th, 2010, 10:16 AM

Thats the one next to MI6 isn't it? I quite like this one. Could look quite good converted to resi a bit like the shell centre buildings were. Although it will probably have something else planned for it especially as its right next to the major development hot spot of Vaxuhall & Nine Elms.

Light Parade · February 10th, 2010, 10:22 AM

That's right, opposite the Tate. Handsome beast. Another 50 years and people would say, why did they let that go. Like this:

...which has been replaced by this mish-mash (sorry about the trees!):

london lad · February 10th, 2010, 10:29 AM

Shame about the building with the clocktower (forget the name of it) as well. Think thats the site of the red brick tower now. There is some good 20th C stuff along here, most already gone now though. Still at least the old Fire HW is having the facade retained when its up for redevelopment.

Isn't there also a hidden dock on the north side along there somewhere?

Light Parade · February 10th, 2010, 11:12 AM

Lots of wharves, but I'm not sure there was ever a dock?

london lad · February 10th, 2010, 11:36 AM

This hidden one on the Lambeth side of the river.

http://whitehartdock.wordpress.com/about/

***gothicform*** · February 10th, 2010, 02:14 PM

was talking to the original architect about this who first saw the new designs on skyscrapernews. i think he's quite annoyed. there's a lot i won't say but his firm is embarrassed by being associated with carey jones plan apparently to the point he wanted me to make it clear they had nothing to do with it! that's fine by me, i don't think anyone will argue that this design is carey jones' finest moment.

Light Parade · February 10th, 2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by london lad

This hidden one on the Lambeth side of the river.

http://whitehartdock.wordpress.com/about/

Amazing, I never knew about that. Can't find it on any old maps, but here it is.

potto · February 12th, 2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gothicform

was talking to the original architect about this who first saw the new designs on skyscrapernews. i think he's quite annoyed. there's a lot i won't say but his firm is embarrassed by being associated with carey jones plan apparently to the point he wanted me to make it clear they had nothing to do with it! that's fine by me, i don't think anyone will argue that this design is carey jones' finest moment.

I dont understand why planning departments allow this to happen. It almost seems like a routine stunt and no one seems to care.

***gothicform*** · February 12th, 2010, 01:11 AM

agreed. you have to ask yourself if precedent of the last proposal aside the revised design would get planning permission, and i think the answer is "no." quite sad.

Swissdave · March 11th, 2010, 09:49 PM

On the Sky Gardens project - scaffolding has just appeared on the Tactica Solutions building which currently occupies the site - apologies for the dodgy photo taken quite late this evening - this is looking along Wandsworth Road towards Vauxhall, you can see the railway bridge at the left, and the tower is Covent Garden's Market Tower.

image hosted on flickr

It has been empty for ages, and boarded up for more than a year (including for some time featuring a sign from the Royal Bank of Scotland, with the tag line "another dream becoming a commercial reality" - that one was removed soon after RBS more or less collapsed; I presume they are no longer the funder of this development).

The revised design goes to the Lambeth planning committee for decision next week - so the developers have presumably seen the committee report by now.

They'll be either demolishing this, or cleaning it up for a short let (as although scruffy the building is still sound). I suspect the former - as it wouldn't take this much scaffolding to spruce up the building. The Renaissance Rooms next door (famous for the roller disco) are still in business.

mulattokid · March 12th, 2010, 09:00 AM

I think your right. Scaffolding to clean a few windows?

Swissdave · March 15th, 2010, 11:11 PM

Yes - the building is definitely being demolished. Noticed that the roof was missing on the way to work today! This won't leave the whole Sky Garden site clear, but it does clear a fairly large part of it.

Swissdave · March 25th, 2010, 09:44 PM

Here are some photos from this morning, where all that's left of the poor old Tactica building - which has clearly reached the last chapter! - was a single storey wall.

Another angle here

Here's a view of the rubble, and the remaining scaffolding coming down -

And another

Going past the same location on the bus this evening, the building had gone - just a big heap of rubble. This clears up almost the entire site (I'm not sure if the yard at the back is part of the project, I'd imagine it is - but the single storey building there has not been touched yet).

Swissdave · March 25th, 2010, 09:53 PM

Update: The most recent planning report for the tower (which secured approval for a revised design last week) is online here - with a helpful map of the site on the first page. It doesn't include the building right next to the railway line - in other words, the entire site for the tower is now clear for construction, and it has planning permission.

The big question now is - do the developers keep the freshly-demolished site on hold for a few years - or do they forge ahead?

Swissdave · April 11th, 2010, 02:37 PM

Here's a picture of the cleared site. Hoardings have been put up by the demolition contractor (which include a small section of the wall of the old building, at the left), which look fairly medium-term, and the site has been deserted for a week or so.

It could stay like this for weeks - or years. The tower (including the recently revised design) now has full planning permission, and I presume they wanted to get the previous building out of the way as quickly as possible. Partly avoid paying rates on it - but mainly to avoid the it being taken over by squatters - quite a high risk in this part of London, and with the potential to be very expensive if they have a contractor due to start work at any particular date.

Supertall Robbo · September 23rd, 2010, 12:18 AM

Thanks, my first post on this thread and this tower looks ok, What is it's current status? fully U/C or still on proposal stages?

March 11th, 2010, 09:49 PM	#74
Swissdave Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London Posts: 129 Likes (Received): 12	On the Sky Gardens project - scaffolding has just appeared on the Tactica Solutions building which currently occupies the site - apologies for the dodgy photo taken quite late this evening - this is looking along Wandsworth Road towards Vauxhall, you can see the railway bridge at the left, and the tower is Covent Garden's Market Tower. image hosted on flickr It has been empty for ages, and boarded up for more than a year (including for some time featuring a sign from the Royal Bank of Scotland, with the tag line "another dream becoming a commercial reality" - that one was removed soon after RBS more or less collapsed; I presume they are no longer the funder of this development). The revised design goes to the Lambeth planning committee for decision next week - so the developers have presumably seen the committee report by now. They'll be either demolishing this, or cleaning it up for a short let (as although scruffy the building is still sound). I suspect the former - as it wouldn't take this much scaffolding to spruce up the building. The Renaissance Rooms next door (famous for the roller disco) are still in business. Last edited by Swissdave; March 11th, 2010 at 09:55 PM. Reason: Having issues with the login...

March 12th, 2010, 09:00 AM	#75
mulattokid BLAND Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London Posts: 8,532 Likes (Received): 149	I think your right. Scaffolding to clean a few windows? __________________ Quote: "Everything in life is our fault...but that's not our fault" (By a friend of Quentin Crisp) www.jclodge.com (my singer sisters site) The headlines read: 'another footballer is charged with sexual miscontuct'! Is it pure coincidence that a mans Scrotum resembles a brain - requisite with both hemispheres, and its truncated spinal cord - always in search of sensation? (Mark Joseph 2008)

April 11th, 2010, 02:37 PM	#79
Swissdave Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London Posts: 129 Likes (Received): 12	Here's a picture of the cleared site. Hoardings have been put up by the demolition contractor (which include a small section of the wall of the old building, at the left), which look fairly medium-term, and the site has been deserted for a week or so. It could stay like this for weeks - or years. The tower (including the recently revised design) now has full planning permission, and I presume they wanted to get the previous building out of the way as quickly as possible. Partly avoid paying rates on it - but mainly to avoid the it being taken over by squatters - quite a high risk in this part of London, and with the potential to be very expensive if they have a contractor due to start work at any particular date. Last edited by Swissdave; April 11th, 2010 at 02:39 PM. Reason: Picture problems

September 23rd, 2010, 12:18 AM	#80
Supertall Robbo on Clapham Common Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: London Posts: 1,016 Likes (Received): 1	Thanks, my first post on this thread and this tower looks ok, What is it's current status? fully U/C or still on proposal stages? __________________ 2009

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February 3rd, 2010, 02:52 PM	#61
Sesquip Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,133 Likes (Received): 15	My strong hope is that in the future, random cladding will be de-randomised udring building refurbishments. It's a horrible look

February 4th, 2010, 03:24 AM	#63
Langur Londinium langur Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London Posts: 8,251 Likes (Received): 106	Random cladding!! I wish the nimbies luck in blocking this tower completely. Random cladding should be BANNED outright!!

February 10th, 2010, 01:24 AM	#64
Light Parade Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London Posts: 695 Likes (Received): 15	Apologies, obviously this isn't Sky Garden, but it's in Vauxhall, and since St George's, the proposals for this neck of the woods have been coming in thick and fast. 50s, 60s, 70s, even 80s buildings are tumbling down in the City and West End. I hope we'll keep a few representative samples of good stuff - not just Centre Point and RFH. It's a personal view, but I think this is great. Of its type, of its time, but I wouldn't want to lose it. It's the brave new London I grew up with.

February 10th, 2010, 10:16 AM	#65
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,186 Likes (Received): 79	Thats the one next to MI6 isn't it? I quite like this one. Could look quite good converted to resi a bit like the shell centre buildings were. Although it will probably have something else planned for it especially as its right next to the major development hot spot of Vaxuhall & Nine Elms.

February 10th, 2010, 10:22 AM	#66
Light Parade Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London Posts: 695 Likes (Received): 15	That's right, opposite the Tate. Handsome beast. Another 50 years and people would say, why did they let that go. Like this: ...which has been replaced by this mish-mash (sorry about the trees!):

February 10th, 2010, 10:29 AM	#67
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,186 Likes (Received): 79	Shame about the building with the clocktower (forget the name of it) as well. Think thats the site of the red brick tower now. There is some good 20th C stuff along here, most already gone now though. Still at least the old Fire HW is having the facade retained when its up for redevelopment. Isn't there also a hidden dock on the north side along there somewhere?

February 10th, 2010, 11:12 AM	#68
Light Parade Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London Posts: 695 Likes (Received): 15	Lots of wharves, but I'm not sure there was ever a dock?

February 10th, 2010, 11:36 AM	#69
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,186 Likes (Received): 79	This hidden one on the Lambeth side of the river. http://whitehartdock.wordpress.com/about/

February 10th, 2010, 02:14 PM	#70
*gothicform* Bossman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: not london Posts: 29,273 Likes (Received): 559	was talking to the original architect about this who first saw the new designs on skyscrapernews. i think he's quite annoyed. there's a lot i won't say but his firm is embarrassed by being associated with carey jones plan apparently to the point he wanted me to make it clear they had nothing to do with it! that's fine by me, i don't think anyone will argue that this design is carey jones' finest moment.

February 12th, 2010, 01:11 AM	#73
*gothicform* Bossman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: not london Posts: 29,273 Likes (Received): 559	agreed. you have to ask yourself if precedent of the last proposal aside the revised design would get planning permission, and i think the answer is "no." quite sad.

March 15th, 2010, 11:11 PM	#76
Swissdave Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London Posts: 129 Likes (Received): 12	Yes - the building is definitely being demolished. Noticed that the roof was missing on the way to work today! This won't leave the whole Sky Garden site clear, but it does clear a fairly large part of it.

March 25th, 2010, 09:44 PM	#77
Swissdave Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London Posts: 129 Likes (Received): 12	Here are some photos from this morning, where all that's left of the poor old Tactica building - which has clearly reached the last chapter! - was a single storey wall. Another angle here Here's a view of the rubble, and the remaining scaffolding coming down - And another Going past the same location on the bus this evening, the building had gone - just a big heap of rubble. This clears up almost the entire site (I'm not sure if the yard at the back is part of the project, I'd imagine it is - but the single storey building there has not been touched yet).

March 25th, 2010, 09:53 PM	#78
Swissdave Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London Posts: 129 Likes (Received): 12	Update: The most recent planning report for the tower (which secured approval for a revised design last week) is online here - with a helpful map of the site on the first page. It doesn't include the building right next to the railway line - in other words, the entire site for the tower is now clear for construction, and it has planning permission. The big question now is - do the developers keep the freshly-demolished site on hold for a few years - or do they forge ahead?