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Old October 15th, 2008, 07:47 PM   #41
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Old October 15th, 2008, 08:05 PM   #42
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Could you explain me why?
There were sereveral different kinds of power supply before, catenary, rigid catenary and 3rd rail, for economical reasons and the fact that parts of the system lies at or below sea level (it easily floods), they changed to only rigid catenary.
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Old October 15th, 2008, 11:26 PM   #43
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Oh well, I can't locate the colour photograph of a Sprague-Thomson wagon in Paris equipped with pantograph, so here's a b&w one at the AMTUIR - Musée des transports website, as seen on their 1910 - 1914 : le réseau complémentaire et le Nord-Sud page, instead:


....errrr, click here to see how the website frames it



Another:

....framed like this

The colour photo of the wagon I saw some years ago revealed its mostly pale, dull powder blue livery.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 12:01 AM   #44
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Is MTR a metro or suburban rail?
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Old October 16th, 2008, 02:13 AM   #45
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Old October 16th, 2008, 05:51 AM   #46
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Is MTR a metro or suburban rail?
Metro

KCR is suburban (but KCR = MTR now purchased by MTRC)
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Old October 16th, 2008, 10:57 AM   #47
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The MTR actually run on overhead wires

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which line is this? MTR symbol on what looks like a KCR train...and it seems like one of the older models.

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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:10 AM   #48
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^ Should be East Rail since it has E TST as the destination. Following the rail merger, MTR stickers have been placed on KCR rolling stock.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 03:10 PM   #49
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KCR is suburban (but KCR = MTR now purchased by MTRC)
It is hard to tell a metro from a suburban train
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Old October 16th, 2008, 04:01 PM   #50
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'Space Train Concept' was planned for the Victoria line but was scrapped because of the semi-privatization of the network (no company was going to pay for something so unique and experimental). It would have required lowering the platforms of all stations and I don't see how it would have increase capacity, as currently the floor takes up the widest part of the tunnel, this would have been lower, meaning the floor would take up a narrower section of the tunnel... All it would mean is a little extra head space for those standing at the edge, which IMO isn't worth the cost or hassle...
I think the idea was that the seats would be at the widest part of the train, overhanging the width at floor level. This would increase the useable floor space in the aisle between seats, at the cost of reducing the width in the door areas.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 04:14 PM   #51
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It is rigid overhead wire, we have got it in Barcelona Metro since 2000 approx.
Bitxofo you didn't explain me why Barcelona has changed from 3rd rail to overhead wire.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 05:43 PM   #52
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Is MTR a metro or suburban rail?
They are a combination. The metro lines are the Island, Tsuen Wan and Kwun Tong lines. The rest are suburban. The suburban lines usually have the blue and red colour on the sides except for The Tung Chung Line
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Old October 16th, 2008, 06:46 PM   #53
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I believe overhead wire is safer than 3rd rail, especially when passengers fall onto the tracks and can be electrocuted if they try to get out the wrong way.
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They are a combination. The metro lines are the Island, Tsuen Wan and Kwun Tong lines. The rest are suburban. The suburban lines usually have the blue and red colour on the sides except for The Tung Chung Line
Well ... Tseung Kwan O Line is arguably urban although it goes out to the suburbs.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 07:39 PM   #55
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It would have required lowering the platforms of all stations and I don't see how it would have increase capacity, as currently the floor takes up the widest part of the tunnel, this would have been lower, meaning the floor would take up a narrower section of the tunnel... All it would mean is a little extra head space for those standing at the edge, which IMO isn't worth the cost or hassle...
I'm not certain the floor is actually any lower, despite the smaller wheels. On current tube trains the floor is below the top of the wheels, which is why they always have big boxy seats either side above the bogies. With the space train, you could push the seats further back, creating more space in the aisle.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 02:19 AM   #56
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I'm not certain the floor is actually any lower, despite the smaller wheels. On current tube trains the floor is below the top of the wheels, which is why they always have big boxy seats either side above the bogies. With the space train, you could push the seats further back, creating more space in the aisle.
If the floor is not lower then why did the proposals require the lowering of the platform level?
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Old October 17th, 2008, 04:02 AM   #57
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Bitxofo you didn't explain me why Barcelona has changed from 3rd rail to overhead wire.
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Is MTR a metro or suburban rail?
What is the difference ???

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It is hard to tell a metro from a suburban train
VERY hard ... since both names are given to different services in different places.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 04:45 AM   #59
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Is MTR a metro or suburban rail?
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It is hard to tell a metro from a suburban train
VERY hard ... since both names are given to different services in different places.


Most LU lines are "suburban rail" (the outward branches) and most southern/soutwest/souteast railways operate as metro in the london area ... tokyo metro ENDS on the verge of Tokyo itself and thus every train crossing that "border" thus becames a suburban train either it is from a company called "metro" or not.

Different measures applied everywhere.
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What is the difference ???
Most LU lines are "suburban rail" (the outward branches) and most southern/soutwest/souteast railways operate as metro in the london area ... tokyo metro ENDS on the verge of Tokyo itself and thus every train crossing that "border" thus becames a suburban train either it is from a company called "metro" or not.
Oh god, not this argument again!
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