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Old October 17th, 2008, 05:32 AM   #61
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Old October 17th, 2008, 11:32 AM   #62
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^ Should be East Rail since it has E TST as the destination. Following the rail merger, MTR stickers have been placed on KCR rolling stock.
sounds like they got things together pretty fast....meanwhile over in kl..........5 years on and no integrated ticketing yet

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Old October 17th, 2008, 12:10 PM   #63
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Well ... Tseung Kwan O Line is arguably urban although it goes out to the suburbs.
With the same with the East Rail Line. It starts from TST East, goes through the heart of Kowloon then the edge of NT
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Old October 17th, 2008, 05:51 PM   #64
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With the same with the East Rail Line. It starts from TST East, goes through the heart of Kowloon then the edge of NT
Well, you yourself stated that the KCR lines are suburban, which would encompass East Rail already, but I doubt all the MTR lines can be considered 'urban' either, with notable exceptions such as the Tung Chung Line and Tseung Kwan O Line. I think it's incorrect to use suburban commuter rail labelling on today's combined MTR network.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 07:18 PM   #65
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Metro do Porto - Porto Metro
Metro Sul do Tejo - South Tagus Metro (Almada)
A little bit off-topic though, as those tram networks (Asians and Americans would call them LRT) can not be considered as metros, even if they have some underground sections.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 11:37 PM   #66
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A little bit off-topic though, as those tram networks (Asians and Americans would call them LRT) can not be considered as metros, even if they have some underground sections.
I consider them metros because they don't run on roads, they cross them though.
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Old October 19th, 2008, 01:12 AM   #67
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Most LU lines are "suburban rail" (the outward branches)
No they aren't.

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and most southern/soutwest/souteast railways operate as metro in the london area
No they don't.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 06:59 PM   #68
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And what are the objective, measurable criteria for that?
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Old October 20th, 2008, 07:21 PM   #69
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Please open a specific thread if you want to argue about what is a metro and what's not.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 08:37 PM   #70
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It's probably not necessary to talk about light rails here because they all have overhead wires anyways.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 08:44 PM   #71
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It's probably not necessary to talk about light rails here because they all have overhead wires anyways.
The Docklands Light Railway in London uses third rail electrification, not overhead.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 10:59 PM   #72
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The Docklands Light Railway in London uses third rail electrification, not overhead.
... which despite its name is often seen as a real metro. But we didn't want to continue the discussion about what a metro is and what not...

And of course there are exceptions that prove the rule, so I correct myself: not all light rails have overhead wires but the vast majority of them have. (I'm also thinking of a certain tram/light rail in France that uses a third rail below the street surface.)
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Old October 20th, 2008, 11:08 PM   #73
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And what are the objective, measurable criteria for that?
Some previous discussion/argument/rant about what is or isn't a metro in this thread: The largest and most extensive metro systems. Starts at about page 10 and goes on (and on and on ...)

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Please open a specific thread if you want to argue about what is a metro and what's not.
Definitely agree with that!
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... which despite its name is often seen as a real metro. But we didn't want to continue the discussion about what a metro is and what not...

And of course there are exceptions that prove the rule, so I correct myself: not all light rails have overhead wires but the vast majority of them have. (I'm also thinking of a certain tram/light rail in France that uses a third rail below the street surface.)
Old London trams used to receive power from a third rail in some sections, as far as I know.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 03:59 PM   #75
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Old London trams used to receive power from a third rail in some sections, as far as I know.
Yes it was quite common in London, Paris and many other cities in Europe and America. But the security standards were absolutely not the same than today in Bordeaux and soon in Dubai.
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