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#81 |
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For those that are interested, I've created a new thread here to discuss Ports & Shipping related infrastructure.
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From this morning's herald
Consultants say new railcar link to Hamilton will be a winner
4:00AM Wednesday May 13, 2009 By Mathew Dearnaley Leading rail industry consultants have added weight to a campaign to run a commuter train between Hamilton and Auckland, saying economic benefits would "comfortably" exceed operating losses. They predict $15.5 million over 15 years in economic benefits including reduced road congestion from a single daily return service, against an operating loss of $6.6 million. That would give the service a benefit-cost ratio of 1.9, or an economic return of $1.90 for each $1 invested by the Government and ratepayers. The analysis is in a preliminary business case prepared for the Environment Waikato regional council, which is being urged by campaigners including Hamilton City leaders to lease Silver Fern rail-cars being taken off the Pukekohe-Auckland commuter run at the end of next month. Although the council omitted a Hamilton-Auckland service from its draft three-year regional land transport programme of projects for which it will seek Government subsidies, it has received 40 submissions urging it not to lose the chance to obtain the rail-cars. Those submissions were among 92 received for the entire programme, which is worth about $1.2 billion. Environment Waikato said last month that it was waiting to receive the business case before the Waikato regional transport committee could consider whether to add the rail proposal. A team from three transport consultancies, led by Dr Murray King, has since provided a report to the regional council, citing indicative prices from KiwiRail of $1.84 million a year for one daily round trip, $2.2 million for two, and $2.65m for three. The report suggests a modest start with one return trip from Hamilton's Frankton station, ensuring competitiveness with car journey times by limiting stops to Huntly, Papatoetoe and Newmarket before reaching Britomart. Average one-way fares of $24 from Hamilton and $17.60 from Huntly are assumed, and the consultants predict a 75 per cent occupancy rate from 96 seats available on a single rail-car, starting at 72 passengers a day. Fares income would initially cover 40 per cent of costs, leaving an operating loss of $1.14 million in the first year, but would improve with patronage to about 68 per cent in 2023 - reducing the deficit to $610,000. A 60 per cent subsidy of $648,000 would be sought from the Transport Agency for the first year, which the consultants say is less than 0.3 per cent of the total amount being requested through the regional transport programme. That would leave $456,000 to be raised from Waikato sources. The consultants point to potential access problem through Newmarket to Britomart, saying the Auckland Regional Transport Authority does not think planned additions to its own suburban services next month and early next year will leave room for a Hamilton train at peak hours. But they say KiwiRail's Ontrack division believes enhancements to trackwork and signals will create enough room, once they are commissioned by the middle of next year. That may mean having to run the new service through Auckland's eastern and waterfront line into Britomart, bypassing Newmarket, until Ontrack completes the work. The report's economic findings have been welcomed by the Campaign for Better Transport in Auckland and Hamilton City transport chairman Dave Macpherson, who said the only question now was when - not if - the service would start. He hoped trains could also stop at a site at Te Rapa, where his council had allocated funds for a station, and believed two daily return trips could prove feasible. KiwiRail needs an early decision on the use of its three Silver Fern rail-cars, and has indicated a preference for three daily return trips if a Waikato service is to run, a frequency which even Mr Macpherson believes might be too ambitious. |
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Good news, but $24 each way sounds a bit too much for me. I could catch a two hour bus to Hamilton for $9.
Still cheaper than driving solo though, especially if you factor in costs other than petrol. |
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That's not much more than Palmy - Wellington on the Capital Connection ($22).I'm just wondering, with $9 bus fares, is that a standard price or the cheapest (ie only for limited seats on limited services). $9 sounds like a bargin ... |
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You can normally get a $9 fare. If unlucky, you will end up paying $14. If lucky, you will end up paying $1. You can check it out yourself here.
I once got to Tauranga and back for $3.70 ($2 return fare, $0.70 booking fee, and $1 SMS reminder, which is optional)
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$24 does seem to be quite high. I have to wonder whether it'd just be easier, more cost effective and more environmentally friendly for people who work to live closer to the place of work?
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Good news though - you'd hope a city the size of Hamilton could support a train service if Palmerston North and the Wairarapa can, it just needs to beomce engrained in the local psyche that the train actually is an option - easier said than done though!
I suppose it will need some good headline fares and specials (season ticket deals or weekend shopping day returns), a good marketing campaign, and maybe some promotion in terms of leisure travel/backpacker stuff too? Aren't those glow-worms near there? Also can someone help illuminate me (as a Brit but NZ visitor and fan) as to the rather odd hierarchy of stations along that line? The Wellington train stops at Middlemore, but this one suggest Papatoetoe and the suburban expresses often stop there too. Why are either important? And why does this omit Papakura (too busy?) and that last station which is further out with less trains (another P). Surely a stop there would help this service? |
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The further south stop you mention will be Pukekohe, which again is on the Auckland suburban network ( but not in line to be electrified), so the same rational would likely apply in terms of dual subsidisation. |
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I can't see why it should matter about one rail service poaching customers potentially from another - Ultimately a bum on seat in a train is better than a bum on a seat in a private car. So it would make sense to me to have trains stop at places to ensure best catchment of people with maximum possible frequency while at the same time ensuring that you are running the service as quickly as practical. I would think that it would be viable for a Hamilton train to make the following stops: 1) Hamilton Frankton 2) Maybe a second Hamilton stop with park'n'ride since frankton station has little space for parking. (eg: Te Rapa?) 3) Ngaruawahia 4) Taupiri 5) Huntly 6) Te Kauwhata 7) Pokeno 8) Tuakau 9) Pukekohe 10) Papakura 11) Newmarket 12) Auckland If there is concern about the extra stops slowing the service too much, some minor upgrades to route geometry would help alleviate this by allowing the trains to run at a higher line speed. Who cares if a passenger who normally catches a regular Auckland suburban train from Pukekohe or Papakura to Auckland accidentally catches the Hamilton to Auckland service? I see that having an extra service available is an advantage in case I miss my regular train. This whole rationale that it would be to stop one service poaching customers from another is just typical politicking bollocks that proves that trains should be owned and operated on a not for profit basis by the government. Having dumb limitations like this will do nothing to make using PT attractive (dont our governments remember that us NZ'ers are sticklers for not getting out of our cars - so come on... make it EASY for us) Since the cost per return service seems rather low once you get above the first return service, then it would seem to me to have the first train stop where possible to make it initially available to the greatest catchment of people, then, add additional services, some with more limited stops if required. Any service that is introduced, the govt needs to back it and support it, even if at a loss initially. People will be willing to use a service if there is commitment from operators that they are in it for the long haul, not just a quick and dirty trial basis using old rolling stock etc. Last edited by KaneD; May 16th, 2009 at 01:42 AM. |
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Freight | Wiri Inland Port
Works start to connect Ports of Auckland's Wiri site to the rail network.
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Freight | Christchurch - Lyttelton container shuttle
Container shuttle for Lyttelton Port Company's City Depot inland port in Woolston.
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Work starts converting F&P site to dairy store
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http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/loca...-life/3901218/
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Looks like the Hamilton/Auckland commuter rail service is dead in the water:
http://www.aucklandtrains.co.nz/2009...ding-diverted/ |
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Short sighted move. I guess spending money on the Waikato Expressway is more worthwhile than on the Puhoi-Warkworth motorway. Nevertheless, this is missed opportunity.
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Yep short sighted and sadly predictable.
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Wellington's rail overhaul over the next few years may change that. If the $550 million spent on modernising the Wellington commuter rail system is successful and when an election is near it maybe a little different. I think Key is having a bit of a wait and see approach.
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I don't think so. Key and his government has no interest in public transport whatsoever. It does not even figure in their thinking. All they are doing is finishing off projects started by the last government then that will be it.
They couldn't care less about Public Transport it's not and never will be a priority for them. |
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