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Kane007 · September 9th, 2009, 03:33 AM

Yes, just take S joyces speech at today's Roading NZ conference as an example.

Does this guy have a hard on for asphalt or what?

metroman · September 9th, 2009, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cambennett

I don't think so. Key and his government has no interest in public transport whatsoever. It does not even figure in their thinking. All they are doing is finishing off projects started by the last government then that will be it.

They couldn't care less about Public Transport it's not and never will be a priority for them.

Maybe logic will prevail.

Public opinion may have some influence eventually.

cambennett · September 9th, 2009, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by metroman

Maybe logic will prevail.

Public opinion may have some influence eventually.

I hope so. At the moment it looks like it's our only chance of getting anything done on public transport for the next 6 - 9 years.

metroman · September 9th, 2009, 09:41 AM

From what I have heard Auckland is an absolute shamble, Wellington is not too bad while Christchurch is going to have significant improvements with new buslanes and a new bus exchange. Don't know a great deal about the other centres. This is where a lobby group which is devoted to improving public transport would be an idea.

Kane007 · September 9th, 2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by metroman

From what I have heard Auckland is an absolute shamble, Wellington is not too bad while Christchurch is going to have significant improvements with new buslanes and a new bus exchange. Don't know a great deal about the other centres. This is where a lobby group which is devoted to improving public transport would be an idea.

A complete shambles, not quite. Maybe the financing aspect of it, no thanks to the current regime holding the purse strings. And to think it could have all been avoided if the short sighted FW's had left alone the regional fuel taxes, which Aucklander's were willing to pay. And what, fuel has increased in price in the last six months more than the tax was going to be. Plannings all in place, massive projects are underway and near completion - see the Public transport thread - the 2nd most viewed though most replied to forum on the kiwiscapers site. Who says Aucklander's aren't passionate about transport.

Now the lobby groups, are in fact up and running, and causing some discomfort for the imbeciles in Parliament.

See ...

Campaign for Better Transport - the prime shit stirrers.
Better Transport.org
Auckland Trains
and our own forum hero, radio star, Herald star, Jarbury's Auckland Transport Blog

then there are us, your friendly writers of letters to the editor hardcopy and online.

SYDNEY · September 10th, 2009, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by metroman

From what I have heard Auckland is an absolute shamble

I have been here for just over 4 years and the change has been phenomenal, nothing short of a miracle

There is room for improvement but coining the term "shambles" is an exaggeration. What is in shambles is the political bickering and in-fighting - then again, isn't that the norm for politicians

metroman · September 10th, 2009, 08:57 AM

When I lived in Auckland in 1993 it was very difficult getting public transport from Howick into the city centre, from what I have heard Auckland still doesn't have particularly good public transport coverage.

whizz_pat · September 10th, 2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by metroman

When I lived in Auckland in 1993 it was very difficult getting public transport from Howick into the city centre, from what I have heard Auckland still doesn't have particularly good public transport coverage.

Ah, that explains it.

1) You were in Auckland in the early 90s. That was the all time trough of PT use in Auckland's history.
2) You were in Howick. This is one of the most poorly serviced areas in all of Auckland.

Things have improved tremendously since the late 90s, when I first came to Auckland. Having said that, it is still much worse than most cities of its size.

cambennett · September 10th, 2009, 11:11 AM

Yeah that would have been bad. Living in the worst area for public transport of one of the world's most poorly served cities at a time of an all time low of investment in public transport. You couldn't get much worse than that.

There has been massive improvment in Auckland public transport since then all of it in the last 8 or so years. Although Howick is still something of a PT desert i think.

The worry is going forward there is no will from the current government to continue the momentum and build on it to give us the first class public transport system we need.

jarbury · September 10th, 2009, 01:13 PM

Things are getting better, although there's a worry that unless we keep up the momentum we could fail to capitalise on a lot of what's happened in recent years.

As long as electrification happens properly, and integrated ticketing also goes ahead, then I think we will see a lot of pressure to further expand the public transport system.

otumoetaiNZ · September 10th, 2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cambennett

Looks like the Hamilton/Auckland commuter rail service is dead in the water:

http://www.aucklandtrains.co.nz/2009...ding-diverted/

Dumb. The Waikato is arguably the most important region in the golden triangle as it links Auckland with Tauranga. If anything the government should be ploughing money into the region to cope with its own growth and the growth of the cities that surround it. A decent rail link could also eventually allow aucklanders to use hamilton international airport as a second gateway.

whizz_pat · September 11th, 2009, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by otumoetaiNZ

Dumb. The Waikato is arguably the most important region in the golden triangle as it links Auckland with Tauranga. If anything the government should be ploughing money into the region to cope with its own growth and the growth of the cities that surround it. A decent rail link could also eventually allow aucklanders to use hamilton international airport as a second gateway.

I thought it would be the other way around... A decent rail link would allow Hamilton residents to access AIA better.

Richard7666 · September 11th, 2009, 08:38 AM

Likewise. I thought you were all for centralisation, otumoetaiNZ

metroman · September 11th, 2009, 09:27 AM

Any thoughts on a recent think tank which proposes privatisation of Kiwirail?

Moveax · September 11th, 2009, 09:48 AM

Other than it being complete and utter rubbish, no.

Kane007 · September 11th, 2009, 11:06 AM

Did I read somewhere that said document was written by an undergraduate?

otumoetaiNZ · September 13th, 2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by whizz_pat

I thought it would be the other way around... A decent rail link would allow Hamilton residents to access AIA better.

Hamilton are currently trying to attract large cargo flights but ultimately this will probably result in long-haul passenger carriers also landing at the airport. The Waikato and Bay regions already have a population of some 600,000+ and growing rapidly. It might also be a good secondry airport for auckland if the government get off their butts are put in a decent passenger rail service to the city.

otumoetaiNZ · September 13th, 2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard7666

Likewise. I thought you were all for centralisation, otumoetaiNZ

yeah definately but the population within the golden triangle certainyl warrants a second international airport, epsecially with the price gouging that Auckland international airport enjoy at the moment!

otumoetaiNZ · September 28th, 2009, 02:27 AM

I heard Kiwirail are considering closing spurs and other seldom used lines to improve profitability. Anyone know where these are located?

greenwelly · September 28th, 2009, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by otumoetaiNZ

I heard Kiwirail are considering closing spurs and other seldom used lines to improve profitability. Anyone know where these are located?

When people talk about closing rail, they are almost universally referring to the Napier-Gisborne Line,

September 9th, 2009, 03:33 AM	#101
Kane007 12 Solo's so far! Join Date: May 2006 Location: North Shore City Posts: 2,962 Likes (Received): 0	Yes, just take S joyces speech at today's Roading NZ conference as an example. Does this guy have a hard on for asphalt or what? __________________ As the most venerable D Lange would say..."Stupid, I can smell the hydrocarbons on your breath from over here!"

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September 9th, 2009, 09:41 AM	#104
metroman metroman Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 1,363 Likes (Received): 0	From what I have heard Auckland is an absolute shamble, Wellington is not too bad while Christchurch is going to have significant improvements with new buslanes and a new bus exchange. Don't know a great deal about the other centres. This is where a lobby group which is devoted to improving public transport would be an idea.

September 10th, 2009, 08:57 AM	#107
metroman metroman Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 1,363 Likes (Received): 0	When I lived in Auckland in 1993 it was very difficult getting public transport from Howick into the city centre, from what I have heard Auckland still doesn't have particularly good public transport coverage.

September 10th, 2009, 11:11 AM	#109
cambennett Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Auckland Posts: 2,123 Likes (Received): 3	Yeah that would have been bad. Living in the worst area for public transport of one of the world's most poorly served cities at a time of an all time low of investment in public transport. You couldn't get much worse than that. There has been massive improvment in Auckland public transport since then all of it in the last 8 or so years. Although Howick is still something of a PT desert i think. The worry is going forward there is no will from the current government to continue the momentum and build on it to give us the first class public transport system we need.

September 11th, 2009, 08:38 AM	#113
Richard7666 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Invercargill Posts: 876 Likes (Received): 3	Likewise. I thought you were all for centralisation, otumoetaiNZ

September 11th, 2009, 09:27 AM	#114
metroman metroman Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 1,363 Likes (Received): 0	Any thoughts on a recent think tank which proposes privatisation of Kiwirail?

September 11th, 2009, 09:48 AM	#115
Moveax Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 378 Likes (Received): 0	Other than it being complete and utter rubbish, no.

September 28th, 2009, 02:27 AM	#119
otumoetaiNZ Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Auckland & Tauranga Posts: 374 Likes (Received): 2	I heard Kiwirail are considering closing spurs and other seldom used lines to improve profitability. Anyone know where these are located?