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Old July 8th, 2010, 06:38 PM   #241
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I already see that dotted line very frequently, and not only on new roads...
Western states are slow to change, I guess. I haven't seen this dotted line which would run the entire length of the turning lane before. WA, OR, NV, UT and CA still don't have it.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 07:02 PM   #242
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I never understood the need of the "only" text at the pavement and signs. Almost no other country consider this necessary to use. Usually the road markings are clear enough (dotted markings show exit or turn lanes, if not, they're through lanes, accompanied by arrows on the pavement).
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Old July 8th, 2010, 07:53 PM   #243
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Western states are slow to change, I guess. I haven't seen this dotted line which would run the entire length of the turning lane before. WA, OR, NV, UT and CA still don't have it.
For us, most turning lanes begin with a dotted line that changes to a solid line. On divided highways, the exit ramp starts with a dotted line that changes to a dashed line, then a solid line.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 11:24 PM   #244
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I already see that dotted line very frequently, and not only on new roads...
I've never seen it Michigan it's probably only new the national mutcd while some states where already using it beforehand.

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I never understood the need of the "only" text at the pavement and signs. Almost no other country consider this necessary to use. Usually the road markings are clear enough (dotted markings show exit or turn lanes, if not, they're through lanes, accompanied by arrows on the pavement).
It just there to reinforce arrows
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Old July 9th, 2010, 03:57 AM   #245
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Did someone mention Pennsylvania Avenue?
White center lines. How deviant.


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Old July 9th, 2010, 04:36 AM   #246
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You know why right? It's technically divided so one couldn't get confused by not having it yellow.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 05:15 AM   #247
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i love the yellow center lines
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Old July 9th, 2010, 03:01 PM   #248
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You know why right? It's technically divided so one couldn't get confused by not having it yellow.
Yeah, there are bike lanes in the middle. Not surprisingly, there are no bikes in the bike lanes - I'd be terrified to ride a bike in the middle of THAT.
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For us, most turning lanes begin with a dotted line that changes to a solid line. On divided highways, the exit ramp starts with a dotted line that changes to a dashed line, then a solid line.
In Connecticut, dotted lines are not used in turning lane, unless there is an extended taper or the through lane shifts left or right for the turn lane.

And dotted lines are also not used on expressway for on or off ramp, but the normal dash is used which can confuse a lot of people a acceleration/deceleration lane is an actual through lane.
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Old July 10th, 2010, 10:42 AM   #250
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Signs in Israel:
Israel on the right, US on the left, EU in the center.
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/תמרורים_בישראל

There is instead of a round about sign + yield sign only a yield sign with a round about inside it.

Instead of no straight you usually have a blue arrow in the way available ONLY + do not enter on the side you can not enter.
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Old July 10th, 2010, 11:04 AM   #251
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There are no exceptions with either one, unless explicitly posted.
Wrong. The white with red circle can be passed by certain kind of disabled motorists.
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Old July 10th, 2010, 11:26 AM   #252
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Did someone mention Pennsylvania Avenue?
Bikers between the fast lanes of such a road, even without curbs or barriers inbetween. You've got to be insane to design something like that.
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Old July 10th, 2010, 12:34 PM   #253
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That's the "going alternative" thing you see going on everywhere. Just paint a couple of bike lanes somewhere and your conscience is at ease, because you have done the formidable job of going green... Classic symbol politics...
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Wrong. The white with red circle can be passed by certain kind of disabled motorists.
Really? In what country is that?
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Old July 10th, 2010, 02:05 PM   #255
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Poland, for example.
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As far as I understand it, in Germany and Austria, exceptions to the sign are possible in certain situations, decided on a case by case basis (and not just limited to disabled drivers). The person who applied for the exception clearly knows he's allowed to drive there, but for anyone else there are no exceptions unless a sign says otherwise. That is what I was getting at. Sorry for the confusion.

PS: And I think the applicant for the exception has to show some proof that he needs to use the road. (e.g. lives or works there) And I don't think that gives the driver the right to ignore the sign anywhere else, at least I couldn't find anything on google that would suggest that.

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Here are some examples of how the white plate with red circle works in Hong Kong, where uses the British standard.
A supplement plate is installed below the sign to indicate what kind of vehicles are permitted to entry.
http://maps.google.com.hk/maps?f=q&s...,51.16,,2,3.15
http://maps.google.com.hk/maps?f=q&s...100.64,,2,0.75
http://maps.google.com.hk/maps?f=q&s...132.41,,0,9.85
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That's the "going alternative" thing you see going on everywhere. Just paint a couple of bike lanes somewhere and your conscience is at ease, because you have done the formidable job of going green... Classic symbol politics...
Welcome to Washington.
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This thread isn't really about Israel's signs, but I will respond anyway (for the sake of comparison, at least).

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Signs in Israel:
Israel on the right, US on the left, EU in the center.
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/תמרורים_בישראל

There is instead of a round about sign + yield sign only a yield sign with a round about inside it.
Hmm that's not exactly correct (and therefore I think Wikipedia is also not exactly correct). Israel uses more or less the same signage for roundabouts as European countries (i.e. the blue circle with white arrows), except that it does not usually place yield signs at the approach, since the behaviour at roundabouts is standard (yield to whoever is in the roundabout).

The triangle with the roundabout sign in it is also used in (at least some) European countries, and usually indicates a bigger roundabout, and is placed further before the approach. And, it doesn't have anything to do with a yield sign (which is inverted, anyway).

Here's a photo to demonstrate the regular blue sign in Israel, taken by me about a year ago:



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Instead of no straight you usually have a blue arrow in the way available ONLY + do not enter on the side you can not enter.
Not exactly, since we've established that the "Do Not Enter" (DNE) sign does not have the same meaning as the "No Straight" (NS) sign. A road with the DNE sign is closed no matter where you are coming from, whereas the NS sign simply means you cannot drive straight through an intersection. Like the case with Europe, I don't think Israel has an equivalent sign (I couldn't find one in the official chart of signs).

You are correct, however, in saying that the blue signs can be used to indicate where you MAY go. Those indeed are used, though as I mentioned before, there are some rare uses for the NS sign in Canada that do not have an "elegant" workaround with other signs.
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Old July 11th, 2010, 04:23 PM   #260
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This thread isn't really about Israel's signs, but I will respond anyway (for the sake of comparison, at least).



Hmm that's not exactly correct (and therefore I think Wikipedia is also not exactly correct). Israel uses more or less the same signage for roundabouts as European countries (i.e. the blue circle with white arrows), except that it does not usually place yield signs at the approach, since the behaviour at roundabouts is standard (yield to whoever is in the roundabout).

The triangle with the roundabout sign in it is also used in (at least some) European countries, and usually indicates a bigger roundabout, and is placed further before the approach. And, it doesn't have anything to do with a yield sign (which is inverted, anyway).

Here's a photo to demonstrate the regular blue sign in Israel, taken by me about a year ago:





Not exactly, since we've established that the "Do Not Enter" (DNE) sign does not have the same meaning as the "No Straight" (NS) sign. A road with the DNE sign is closed no matter where you are coming from, whereas the NS sign simply means you cannot drive straight through an intersection. Like the case with Europe, I don't think Israel has an equivalent sign (I couldn't find one in the official chart of signs).

You are correct, however, in saying that the blue signs can be used to indicate where you MAY go. Those indeed are used, though as I mentioned before, there are some rare uses for the NS sign in Canada that do not have an "elegant" workaround with other signs.
Is that a European plate in the first picture?
Which brings up another question for me: I know the country indication on the blue tab is meant, within the European Union, to replace the old ovals. But is it valid outside the E.U.? Do people passing through Switzerland have to paste an oval onto their cars when they stop to buy the vignette? :-)

Oops, way off topic aren't we....
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