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Old January 9th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #41
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The fact that they have even decided to move the embassy to an urban wasteland away from the diplomatic centre surely means that the old bunker mentality is alive and kicking this project forward. If they build a new Tower of London then it will go nicely with our French one further down the river.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 02:38 PM   #42
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Or simply that there aren't other plots big enough in the centre of London for an embassy of this side which will naturally need decent security as a high-risk building? Creating a an embassy purpose-built for modern threats will make the precautions far less invasive for its neighbours. It's not as if the Americans are alone in requiring protection for its new build embassies; the British embassy in Berlin required the pedestrianisation and road blocks of a decent stretch of road right in the centre of the city.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 02:54 PM   #43
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The fact that they have even decided to move the embassy to an urban wasteland away from the diplomatic centre surely means that the old bunker mentality is alive and kicking this project forward. If they build a new Tower of London then it will go nicely with our French one further down the river.
I like it Potto. Nice symbolism. These US installations are imperial headquarters (I've seen the one in Caracas, it's surrounded by concrete walls and mostly underground), not embassies.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 03:42 PM   #44
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Lords Rogers and Palumbo have joined the panel picking the design for the new embassy, news which I hope will help to counter some of the paranoid xenophobia that has broken out in these parts.
http://www.propertyweek.com/story.as...de=3131188&c=1
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Old January 11th, 2009, 07:52 PM   #45
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This is the showcase new American Embassy in Berlin. It sits right next to the Brandenburg Gate.

It was named as the 'triumph of banality' by German architecture critics and compared to a high security prison by American critics:

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The new Embassy in Baghdad, costing $736 million







new $434 million American Embassy in Beijing




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Old January 11th, 2009, 08:17 PM   #46
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compare the US Embassy in Berlin with the rest of the new embassies:


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Dutch



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...and what sits next to the American Embassy, the DZ Bank







...and a reminder, the American Embassy

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Old January 11th, 2009, 09:53 PM   #47
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I think Boris should extend the congestion charge zone to cover Battersea
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Old January 12th, 2009, 02:12 PM   #48
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New US embassy likely to be 'a fortress'
12 January, 2009
By Will Henley

The new US embassy in London is likely to be a “fortress”, Richard Rogers, one of the jury members that will select the new building, has acknowledged.

Rogers, speaking at a press event with the newly appointed eight member design panel on Friday, said the new “compound” - which diplomatic sources say could be double the size of the existing Grosvenor Square premises - could still be “beautiful” despite its “very challenging” brief .

He also backed the move away from the embassy’s current location in central London to a larger area close to Terry Farrell’s MI6 building and Battersea power station as “absolutely right”.

“In some ways it is a fortress,” he said. “You need to have some defence ground around [the building]. It’s an absolutely classic embassy situation because it does have security needs. Here [on the south bank] at least you can have landscape, you can have walls, you can have different enrichment.”

“I am delighted to see it move out of Grosvenor Square, not because the square was not right, but because this highly complex system of protection [around the building] made living around that area impossible. So it is absolutely right it has moved.”

The shortlisted architects – which include KPF, Richard Meier and SOM – will have to work within strict security rules, introduced after the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, to strengthen protection of embassy facilities abroad.

British architects have been barred from competing for the competition, although may be allowed to take on sub-contractor roles.

The design jury includes American ambassador Clyde Taylor, Thomas Hicks, Frances Halsband, Peter Rolland, Michaele Pride, Peter Palumbo, and James Carpenter.
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Old January 12th, 2009, 02:19 PM   #49
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I think Boris should extend the congestion charge zone to cover Battersea
Or need a return to ticket to Berlin...
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Old January 12th, 2009, 02:41 PM   #50
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Its a little unfair to compare the US embassies which have high security requirements with those of other countries whose security requirements are more akin to that of a hotel. However, the embassy is going to be a fortress - the idea of an upriver Tower of London keep structure behind a ring wall is fascinating - though I hope the keep element looks a little more interesting architecturally than that in Beijing. Perhaps it could be a mini-pentagon?
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Old January 13th, 2009, 10:02 PM   #51
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Old January 13th, 2009, 10:09 PM   #52
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will the new Embassy affect any potential extension of the charing cross branch down through Vauxhall to Battersea- would it be allowed to run beneath the site of the embassy site for example??? just a thought
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Old January 16th, 2009, 03:56 PM   #53
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Why couldn't they redevelop Battersea power station, that would be an iconic embassy!
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 10:12 PM   #54
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Seems that this might not be such a groundscraper.

"Request for a Scoping Opinion on a proposed development within the adjoining Borough of Wandsworth with respect to the development of a new embassy building within the Nine Elms Opportunity Area to the south of the River Thames within the London Borough of Wandworth,. In summary the outline planning application will seek approval for a single new building providing approximately 45,000m2 of primarily Class B1 (office) floor space over approximately 25 floors, together with approximately 250 car parking spaces located over two basement levels. A small number of ancillary buildings would also be built, including a residential annex."
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 11:20 PM   #55
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Seems that this might not be such a groundscraper.

Probably a bunker with a pretend building on top.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 01:48 AM   #56
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Sounds interesting. 45,000m2... Does anyone know how big will this embassy be compared to other US embassies? Berlin's for example?
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Old January 26th, 2009, 07:11 PM   #57
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If its going to be 25 floors, I hope it won't look like the new Beijing embassy
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Old January 27th, 2009, 02:30 AM   #58
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25 floors, so it could be around the 125m mark or over 400 feet
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Old January 27th, 2009, 07:58 AM   #59
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25 floors...in this remote and not challenging area...I guess the yanks know that they may be able to get away with a cheap option...
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Old January 27th, 2009, 10:27 AM   #60
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25 floors...in this remote and not challenging area...I guess the yanks know that they may be able to get away with a cheap option...
It wont be a neglected area though. This corridor from Battersea to Vauxhall will be the next big growth area over the next 10-20 years.

The Embassy site is part of Ballymores wider scheme that is being drawn up by Foster. Next door & between this & Battersea Power Station is the riverfront site that an Arab consortium is working up a scheme for.
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