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Old May 13th, 2010, 07:54 AM   #21
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He is probably from another city in Australia. Rivalry is rife here.
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Architecture Australia May/June 10 Vol.99 No.3 has a series of Very Serious Articles on Barangaroo by some Very Serious Names.
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He is probably from another city in Australia. Rivalry is rife here.


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So Final Renders have not been released yet.

The buildings do not look so tall hope the architecture will be awe inspiring.
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So Final Renders have not been released yet.

The buildings do not look so tall hope the architecture will be awe inspiring.
A few bits and peices have been released, nothing substantial though. All the Sydneysiders (and especially Culwulla) are going nuts over "Big Red"...









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LOL 'going nuts" I was going nuts on how ugly 'big red' was and how myopic and visionless the whole project was.
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27 May 2010
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The Barangaroo redevelopment at East Darling Harbour is supposed to be Sydney's grandest project - a visionary statement to make the city proud. But have the planners got it right? Guy Allenby talks to our prominent architects to find out.

The blueprint is in for Barangaroo, one of the biggest urban redevelopments in Sydney's history. Work could start on the colossal 22-hectare north-western corner of the CBD within months. It's public land, yet it's not clear what exactly might take shape - at least beyond the contentious 213-metre-tall hotel (known in some quarters as the "red herring hotel" - a clever diversion from what else is on the drawing board) and former prime minister Paul Keating's Headland Park. Although the original plans for the first 7.3-hectare southern third have been approved, modifications - including the hotel and a host of skyscrapers that would be built right up to the harbour - are soon due to go before the government for the green light.

The modernist

Sam Marshall

A great modern city is "about development, it's about height, it's about diversity", says Sam Marshall. "Everybody loves New York, so who cares how tall it goes?"

Don't misunderstand the 54-year-old architect - he's not an apologist for having thrusting vertical developments everywhere.

In fact, he believes the centre of Sydney, with its mass of skyscrapers, needs to be held in by a notional "belt". That's roughly Macquarie Street to the east, Circular Quay to the north and the beginning of Hickson Road (excluding The Rocks and Millers Point) and the Western Distributor to the west. "It's like a belt around a pair of trousers," he says. "It holds the fat in - it holds everything in - but bits have oozed out like a muffin top. You could say The Toaster [the apartment building south of the Opera House] is a bit that got out beyond the belt."

The current plan for Barangaroo divides the 22-hectare site into three pieces. At the northern end is Headland Park, championed by Paul Keating; in the middle is Barangaroo Central, plans for which are still fuzzy; and at the southern end is the $6 billion, 7.3-hectare Barangaroo South, which is being developed by Lend Lease and includes architect Lord Richard Rogers's 213-metre hotel, built on a pier in the harbour, a host of towers (the largest two of which are 199 metres tall) and a number of other residential and commercial office towers of various heights. There's also a new cove at the southern end and one at the northern end, beyond which is Headland Park.

Marshall agrees that "it seems sensible to pack development to the south but keep it away from the expanse of the harbour and group it with the city". However, his argument with the current plan is that once they've built a crowd of multi-storey towers by the water's edge at Barangaroo South, the city will be left with a serious case of muffin top. "The buildings should go smaller as they go towards the water," he says. "The Lend Lease scheme doesn't do that. It builds right up against the water and then has the effrontery to put a building in the harbour."

Although Marshall has reservations about building an artificial hill at the park to re-create the headland (see box, next page), he saves his disdain for the controversial hotel jutting out in the harbour. "When there's 22 hectares of land, why can't you build on the land and why can't you get it to work? It seems like a mad thing to do."

Marshall is himself charged with the design of a development that will have its own impact on the city. Work is due to start on his extension of the MCA at Circular Quay, which has been likened to a Rubik's Cube. He is unfazed by any criticism of his firm's own design ("I immediately took offence, then a nanosecond later I changed my mind and found [the criticism] amusing") and happy to offer his opinions about Barangaroo.

If Marshall had his way, he would keep the site's man-made seawall and work with it to maximise the size of the public domain. "It would be enormously expensive to take away." And, as he sees it, the existing concrete platform delivers a perfect opportunity to create something that is "really contemporary".

Marshall agrees with Philip Thalis's approach (see page 47) in the way it set a grid and a "texture" to the overall plan and then divided it up into small parcels - "so hopefully you'd have design excellence in there", he says. "Personally, I'd be giving [each parcel] to our young architects. I think there is some enormously good talent in this country who simply aren't given the opportunity. I don't know why they bring architects from overseas when there's such talent here."

The Supporter

Chris Bosse

Chris Bosse has no objections to the proposed group of soaring skyscrapers at

the southern end of Barangaroo. It is, he maintains, the price you pay to fund open and accessible public land on the rest of the site. Bosse entered the original competition with a scheme which suggested just that. "Mine were very high," he says. "There is always this compromise between height and spread. I'm sympathetic to the current design because it's just as ours was in the early stage."

Bosse was one of the principal thinkers behind the colour-changing Water Cube - the swimming centre built for the Beijing Olympic Games. Last year, his new firm, Laboratory for Visionary Architecture (LAVA), won a prominent international architectural commission: to design the heart of the world's first carbon-neutral, waste-free city, Masdar, in the United Arab Emirates.

More recently, in a speculative competition, his office came up with an international award-winning scheme to wrap the University of Technology tower on Broadway in a glowing white and sculptural cocoon of high-tech fabric that would let in light and air. When it comes to Barangaroo, his argument is that it's preferable to concentrate high-rise buildings in one section instead of slicing up the public space. "If you spread these high-rise towers over the whole site, then you would have this medium-density convoluted development."

At Barangaroo, Bosse, 38, is part of the in-crowd, one of a team of architects brought in by Lend Lease last August to comment and "look at the [southern] site and critically review it". Specifically, they looked at the design of the four commercial towers designed for stage one and then added their input into the design of the residential towers. "It was an open conversation," says the German-born Bosse, who moved to Sydney eight years ago. "It wasn't who designs what."

LAVA was subsequently commissioned by Lend Lease to design two 30-storey residential towers for Barangaroo South, which, says Bosse, will feature landscaping "wrapping around" the towers and will be "an extension of the park".

"I think Barangaroo is an exciting opportunity for Sydney to show leadership

in architecture and sustainability and create a truly amazing and vibrant piece of urban life on what is probably the best harbour in the world," he says. "It opens up a piece of industrial wasteland to the public and transforms it into a public park with afternoon sun. If done well, Barangaroo has the potential to transform Sydney's skyline and turn the western edge of the CBD into a fabulous place."

Bosse is supportive of the current scheme but is also clearly relishing an insider's opportunity to have some design input on how it unfolds. "I think I would have difficulties entering a design team that was completely against everything that I believe in," he says. "It's great to be part of the debate and it's great to be part of the team where these discussions actually happen."

WHAT’S GOING ON?/HEADLAND PARK

The northern end of Barangaroo will feature the 5.2-hectare Headland Park. Concealing a car park under an artificial hill sloping from Millers Point to the water, the park will cover up the sandstone cliffs cut by the Maritime Services Board in the '60s and '70s and will mimic other nearby harbour headlands. The excavations from Barangaroo South will be used to form Headland Park's hill.

Advocate Paul Keating has said it will be "a headland that looks like Balls Head or Goat Island". Critics say that the actual headland is long gone so why try to re-create it? "It seems an enormous amount of money to re-create something that is of the past and that didn't really exist at all," says architect Sam Marshall. "It's Disneyland." He and others argue that the cost to demolish what's there and rebuild an artificial shoreline is driving the developments at Barangaroo South ever bigger to recoup the money.

THE CRITIC

Philip Thalis

Philip Thalis pours scorn on the plans for Barangaroo's first stage. "It's the worst model of 20th-century urbanism," he says. "It combines the commercialisation of the shopping mall with the sterility of the office park, overlaid by the imagery of Dubai."

It's not surprising that Thalis is so violently opposed to the proposal. He and his team beat 136 other entries to win the original design competition in 2006, which was organised by the state government. At the time, the jury - chaired by Chris Johnson (the then executive director of urban renewal at the NSW Department of Planning and an ex-NSW government architect) and including former prime minister Paul Keating, along with a number of architecture and planning leaders - said that the design by Hill Thalis Architecture + Urban Projects, Paul Berkemeier Architect and Jane Irwin Landscape Architecture "comes from local Sydney talent who have a deep understanding of Sydney's urban and natural form. The scheme is grounded in a unique vision for completing the western edge of the city."

Thalis and his cohorts were engaged as consultants and were asked to rework their plan, breaking up the straight edge with a water cove at the northern end. According to Thalis, 50, the work was undertaken for the Sydney Harbour Foreshore Authority.

"Paul Keating and Chris Johnson were heavily involved in this stage of the works," he explains. "No other competition jury members were involved in this process. Paul Keating vehemently expressed a desire for all industrial heritage to be removed from the site. We maintained that it was a key historical and social element of the site and that its presence should be acknowledged and retained."

Some of the Hill Thalis amendments were included in the new concept plan but others were added subsequently without their input, says Thalis. "We were completely excluded soon after winning the competition," he says of their involvement. "I honestly don't know why ... We never received a letter, a phone call, a meeting detailing any reasons for the lack of contact with us and for the fact that we had no continuing role."

John Tabart, CEO of the Barangaroo Delivery Authority, says that Philip Thalis was "included up until 2007, when a planning proposal for the concept plan was put in for approval. Then Philip Thalis was not part of the private sector consortia that bid for that proposal. There were five organisations and none of the five private sector groups picked up Thalis as part of their bids."

Thalis's original concept was one that kept the straight edge of the concrete platform and had public park extending almost the length of the site, tapering in, like a long wedge, towards the south. Buildings, meanwhile, were to the rear of the site, tapering in to the north - and any high-rise were in the extreme southern end adjoining the city.

The way that the new plan divides the site up into three pieces with no master plan "loses all sense of the cohesive public domain that was instrumental in us winning the competition", says Thalis. He adds that one of the great follies of the total concept is the enormous expense that it will involve to demolish the seawall to create two new coves plus the Headland Park's new seawall edges, at the same time shrinking the size of the public domain.

"We were told at the time of the competition that to knock down 100 metres of seawall would cost $10 million," he says. "They are knocking down more than 600 metres of seawall. Then you need to build more than a kilometre of new seawall [along the length of the development and parkland] into deep water or 'suspect' fill [possibly contaminated ground under the existing concrete slab] without damaging the ecology of the harbour. How much does that cost? You pay a premium of several hundred million dollars to shrink the public space available by several hectares. How does that make sense?"

The jury picked his scheme "because it was an equitable scheme", says Thalis. "It was a far-sighted scheme that completed the north-western side of the city." Instead, he says, "we're getting something as bad as anything in the history of Sydney".

WHAT’S GOING ON?/BARANGAROO SOUTH

Lend Lease has won the NSW government's tender to develop Barangaroo South, the 7.3-hectare, $6 billion first stage of Barangaroo. Much attention has focused on that hotel and the cluster of skyscrapers planned to stand just behind the hotel (the tallest two, at 199 metres, are taller than Grosvenor Place). But the Barangaroo Delivery Authority says the proposal also includes a public waterfront, department store, supermarkets, restaurants, museum, library, an international hotel, 500 apartments - including affordable housing - and financial headquarters.

A series of amendments has gradually increased the size of the buildings to squeeze it all in. In February 2009, the NSW government announced that 120,000 square metres of additional commercial floor space would be built at Barangaroo. The Lend Lease scheme has increased this further.

Part of the cultural quotient is taken up by "Open House", a building designed by Richard Francis-Jones on the waterfront, with access for the public on its roof. Will it be a theatre space or an art gallery? No one knows yet. "We're engaging with Sydney Council on that," says Gavin Biles, Lend Lease's project director for Barangaroo South.

In front of the commercial district will be a public foreshore that Biles promises will create a real "sense of place". Barangaroo South is scheduled for completion in 2014.

THE ELDER

Richard Leplastrier

Richard Leplastrier has the simplest of ideas for Barangaroo: start again. "I think we should swallow our pride and say, 'We haven't got it right.' "

By that, Leplastrier means we should forget all the current plans for the site - forget the hotel on the harbour; forget the "morass" of high-rise development at the southern end; and forget the competition that established the "misguided" parameters for the site in the first place.

"Sydney is a maritime city and the power of a maritime city is directly proportional to the diversity and the wonder of its docksides. It's where the water meets the land and it's where all the activities go on," he explains. "The competition was set up without any understanding of a maritime city, its need for increasing the water plane, for maintaining a working harbour."

Leplastrier, 70, is an educator (he teaches masterclasses with Glenn Murcutt, among others) and an architect best known for creating modest and exquisitely resolved timber houses that allow nature in. He was awarded the Royal Australian Institute of Architects top prize, the Gold Medal, in 1999, and has been described by Adrian Carter, an associate professor of architecture at Aalborg University in Denmark, as "one of the truly outstanding and unsung heroes of a poetic, authentic regional approach to architecture". He's an accomplished sailor, a long-time champion of Sydney Harbour's industrial structures and a man who understands our harbour intimately.

Leplastrier would like to see a long, elegant series of finger wharves running almost the full length of the site, with a street running down the centre of each of them and anchored all the way back to Hickson Road. "Each wharf could have its own character," he says. "You could make a series of ports, water courtyards - like keys on a piano - and the wharves between them can be buildings of great diversity, with long north-facing facades and no more than five storeys high. The ports can look after the harbour's working and recreational needs."

He envisages an energetic mix of public space, shops, homes, "sunrise industries" offices, studios, ferry stops and the infrastructure to support them. They'd link the CBD to a working harbour - and a boardwalk around the edges of the finger wharves would give Barangaroo a long, meandering and pulsating public domain by the water that's "well-treed and linked to Keating's Headland Park and Walsh Bay".

It's the "power and grittiness" of the quayside that evokes a maritime city.

"It's not about green lawn park that you take your dog to crap on. It's not about having a huge area and saying '50 per cent is going to be park and 50 per cent is going to be development to pay for it' - which is what the brief was. Everyone knew that as soon as the competition was won, the developers would push in and push in and push in and make a bigger grab of it. We don't want to turn the hungry mile into the greedy mile."

WHAT’S GOING ON?/

THE CONTROVERSIAL HOTEL

No single element in the Barangaroo scheme creates more division than the British architect Lord Richard Rogers's design for a 213-metre-tall hotel built into the harbour on a pier at Barangaroo South. Lend Lease says that the NSW government asked them to put a hotel at Barangaroo. Paul Keating describes it as "what Sydney needs" and "an exclamation mark" for the city. Apart from the aesthetic argument, critics are concerned that the hotel's 150-metre-long pier will restrict the waterway into Darling Harbour. Currently, ocean liners dock at Barangaroo and it was planned for this to continue but if the hotel goes ahead, liners would have to dock at White Bay. Leichhardt and North Sydney councils are considering taking legal action over the proposal.

The Evolution of Barangaroo

4000BC East Darling Harbour is formed by settling sea levels. Locals call the area, which is part of Cadigal territory, Coodye.

1820s Named on colonial maps as Cockle Bay Point, then Millers Point. The area is developed with a few windmills, a stone quarry and a few small buildings.

1836 The first wharf on site is Bettington Wharf.

Late 1830s The Australian Gas Light company purchases land. Wharves are constructed to import coal needed to make the gas.

1840s Shipping increases in the area.

1850s Increased price of wool and the gold rush intensifies development and activity.

1860s Millers Point reaches its residential peak - most of the local residents work on the waterfront.

1868 At least 16 wharves operate on Millers Point.

1878 The foreshore is covered with stores and commercial premises. The wharves are rebuilt and lengthened.

1900 Bubonic plague hits the area, spread by rats from ships. Three people die in The Rocks and Millers Point. The area is quarantined and houses are demolished, as are some of the wharves at East Circular Quay. The harbour foreshores are reclaimed by the government, with the plague as an excuse. The Sydney Harbour Trust is formed.

1909 Hickson Road's construction gives better access to the wharves.

1930s Ten new wharves are built at East Darling Harbour. The Depression bites and the area is dubbed the Hungry Mile (after the scores of hungry workers waiting in vain for work on the wharves).

1936 The Maritime Services Board is established.

1960s The southern end is transformed into a concrete platform to service container ships.

1970s The concrete platform is extended to the northern end.

1988 The new entertainment, retail and tourist precinct of Darling Harbour opens.

2003 Premier Bob Carr announces that stevedoring company Patrick will not be renewing its container terminal lease on the site from 2006.

2003-2005 The Sydney Harbour Foreshore Authority and other government departments and agencies investigate future development potential of the site.

2005 Sydney's first open architectural competition since the Opera House is launched by the NSW government to create an urban plan for the area, with 137 entries submitted from around the world. Five finalists are selected.

2006 Precinct named after Barangaroo, a spirited Aboriginal woman in Sydney's early colonial history. A Cammeraygal woman, from north harbour and around Manly, she was the wife of Bennelong.

2006 The winner of the competition is announced in March: Hill Thalis Architecture + Urban Projects, Paul Berkemeier Architect and Jane Irwin Landscape Architecture.

February 2007 Then NSW minister for planning Frank Sartor approves concept plan for Barangaroo loosely based on the work of Hill Thalis, Berkemeier and Irwin.

July 2008 The Pope gives an opening mass to more than 140,000 people at Barangaroo for World Youth Day.

2008 The Barangaroo Delivery Authority is set up by the state government to oversee development.

June 2009 Design Excellence Review Panel, chaired by Paul Keating, is announced.

December 2009 Lend Lease is declared the preferred tenderer to develop and build Barangaroo's $6 billion stage one (now known as Barangaroo South). May 2010 The modifications to the concept plan exceed the height and floor space allowable and need to be approved by the state government.
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Thanks for posting that article hkskyline

It annoys me how critics of the proposal aren't just opposed to the current design, but indeed the involvement of international architects. Australia may have quality architects but our architectural prowess is generally bland...

We live in a globalised society so their protectionist stance on Australian architecture is quite frankly, narrow minded and not in the country's best interests.

The idea of Richard Leplastrier is ridiculous. Name one significant city from around the world that would surrender such a prime development site for the construction of mediocre finger wharves in what would virtually be a throwback to the nineteenth century!

Philip Thalis has been vocally opposed to the proposal since his replacement and has not laid low by any means.

I think the majority of Sydneysiders are interested in this project and what it will deliver to the city. They like the current proposal +/- a few things despite what the protectionist architects and the NIMBYs might say
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It's an amazing project, oh Big Red. Can't wait to see you built!
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Cool project. I like very much these water channels and the park solution with pool. Very good!
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The pool is cool, isn't it? It will be frequented so much! Have a swim underneath the city above. BEAUTIFUL
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I'm not sure if the pool will be built.

The details on the Headland Park are a little sketchy at the moment.

And I'm not sure if it is a good idea or not. A pool would only be used on warm, sunny days in summer and wouldn't be as popular in the cooler months. Is it worth constructing if it is only a part time attraction? There are numerous other things that could be used year round in its place.
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After six months of consultation with a range of stakeholders, Lend Lease released an updated version of its proposal for Barangaroo. With Lord Richard Rogers still at the helm, this is a brief overview of the changes to the project;

- The landmark tower has been reduced from 213m to 159m. The new tower will have a spire pushing the height to 178m.
- The red exoskeleton structure has been replaced by something which is quite difficult to describe (see renders)
- The public pier (on which the landmark hotel sits) has been reduced from 150m to 85m to lessen impact on waterway
- Width of public pier has also been reduced
- The Open House has been redesigned and relocated to Barangaroo South, near the base of the skyscrapers
- An office tower has been removed
- 100 apartments have been added to Barangaroo South to create a more vibrant atmosphere
- The tin shed promenade has been replaced with a wider and more open pedestrian promenade with cafes, restaurants and shops opening out onto the water
- Retail component has increased slightly to 33000 sq m and will include a range of up to 200 specialty stores

Planning for Barangaroo Central is ongoing.

Heights of the skyscrapers are as follows;
- 198m office tower
- 180m office tower
- 170m office tower
- 170m residential tower
- 159m hotel (178m to top of spire)
- 150m residential tower
- 120m residential tower













(all courtesy of www.barangaroo.com)


Here is a mock up of what the Sydney skyline will look like from the north with the construction of Barangaroo (the crop of buildings to including the big blue building and all those to the right of it)...courtesy of Culwulla in the Aus forums





Lend Lease says it will release more renders and videos in the coming weeks

What do you think of the new design?
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In a few words, what are they thinking? The original plan was solid and really gave it iconic elements. This seems rushed and unispired. Moving the Open House is a waste and the new hotel design is not very special.

I am surprised that so much has been changed. In a way, Sydney has been short changed by this design.
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It's a pity Sydney has centrepoint as it's highest building, this was the opportunity to build really tall and all we get is a squashed rogers building and dreary run of the mill lend lease buildings.
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CASA controls height limits in sydney metro at 330m. bldgs limited to 235m in CBD.
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Too bad it's been downscaled, but more retail space is always fine with me, so that's a plus at least. Are there any actual plans for public transportation in this area? Surely Wynyard is too far away to serve this properly?
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^nah, only few hundred metrss. there will be walkways and tunnels to serve banga



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I preferred the previous design of the "Big Red"

The red design was a stand out masterpiece, the new design looks futuristic too but I would go for the other.

I also wonder since the "big red" is not red-ish anymore, does the name change?
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