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Frankfurt am Main - Germany 532 32.92%
Rotterdam - the Netherlands 199 12.31%
London - UK 230 14.23%
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Old September 16th, 2009, 11:24 AM   #2001
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Well you are entitled to your opinion but i dont think Londons projects are Dubai esque, and personally i think the shard and pinacle are two of the best proposed skyscrapers around. Tour phare in La Dafense does look a very interesting building and i would love to see it built, however im not sure how well it will sit in la Dafense with the other proposals being quite terrible IMO. Without any major new building Franfurts skyline wont change that dramatically, just slightly improve which isnt to say it isnt great at the moment. London city is creating a new skyline with the pinacle as there really isnt much competition at the moment (adto this the shard just across the river), but Canary wharf is a very impressive skyline with all towers being very high quality and a very dynamic streetscape.
How about Bahntower (former Campanile) with 210-300m?


Or Marieninsel with about 230m?
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Old September 16th, 2009, 11:54 AM   #2002
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And by the way: I can understand, when people say, canary wharf was boring. On the first look it IS a boring area of blocks, which are all nothing special. Sorry to say that. There are three towers wich are okay with average quality. But where is the high quality of the rest?
If you had actually been to London or CW and walked around it, you would soon see the difference in quality of materials, cladding and general street level construction standards are FAR better than LD in Paris.

I've been to LD in Paris a few times, and its a concrete dump.......

None of the talls in LD would get built in CW or the City, they are very cheap compared to CW/City in all aspects of design and quality of materials used....

You could build nearly 3 towers in LD for the price of the Heron Tower now under construction in the city, or the Shard or The Pinnacle which are costing nearly £1 billion EACH, more than twice as much as ANY of the proposed Paris Supertalls, such are the design standards imposed on London projects. You make not like the individual designs, thats a personal subjective opinion, but the quality of the actual materials and cladding used are beyond comparison.

LD only looks impressive from a distance, density has all it has going for it, once your in it, its a VERY dated and underwhelming envoirment.

So many of the opinions of people on this forum about LD are based upon long distance skyline shots from this forum, ALOT of them would change their minds if they actually went there, like i have.

Im not going to comment on Frankfurt's towers, as i have never been, but when Frankfurt has one tenth the of attractions that London has, besides skyscrapers, i might consider a vist.
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Old September 16th, 2009, 02:28 PM   #2003
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Ive been to La Dafense, both london clusters and will be in Frankfurt for the christmas markets. I suppose London exhibits both the Frankfurt model of city center skyscrapers mixed in with the historic streetscape (or whats left of it in both cases), and the out of town big business distric of La Dafense. I cant comment on the Fankfurt model as i havent been yet, but where Canary wharf is far superior to la dafense is the fact that its created more than just a business distric of windswept streets and little else. It really is impossible to say how high class the towers of canary wharf are without seeing them in person. La Dafense works as a whole but not individually, Frankfurt however has some very high quality towers it seems ( i will report back ). Thats unfair to have a go at Frankfurts attractions XFire, it is alot smaller than the otheer two cities and its skyline is what we are talking about.
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Old September 16th, 2009, 02:54 PM   #2004
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first of all I did not critisize London as a city. Frankfurt will never offer a tenth of Londons(Europes on and only world city) attractions. I critizsise the projects as unfinished desgins. I had been to all three cities. of course La Defense is a concrete dump and I don't like LD. But a skyline thread is a skyline thread. So the shot are taken from a long distance. Both-canary wharf and LD are on thoose long distance shots boxy. If you can read you read this in my last comment:
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And by the way: I can understand, when people say, canary wharf was boring. On the first look it IS a boring area of blocks, which are all nothing special. Sorry to say that. There are three towers wich are okay with average quality. But where is the high quality of the rest?
comparing long distance shots of the skyline, LD is more interesting(not only more massive-but interesting) to watch at than Canary Wharf. It's a thread about skylines, not standing 5 Meters in front of one of those buildings. The quality for a skyline of an assmble of boxes is maybe not the best quality. comparing LD to CW, LD has more different structures in its skyline (Arch, Setbacks, etc) wich makes the skyline more interesting and more quality. Frankfurts buildings have the best design for an interesting skyline, although the city is compared to London a extrem boring place. This thread is about the skyline. And i don't like the future skyline projects of London, because there is the danger that the CitySkyline will look a kind of silly with a "marble run(Pinnicale)", a spirefake(Heron tower), a skijump(name forgot) and a easter egg and a Rocket as main structures and above all it looks on the renders beacause of the narrow constructiongrounds too compressed/forced into the city.
Of course it's a subjective oppinion by me. So don't feel personaly attacked

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Old September 17th, 2009, 01:40 AM   #2005
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Frankfurt

[IMG]http://i25.************/50i9oz.jpg[/IMG]


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Old September 17th, 2009, 02:28 AM   #2006
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What about these future plans for Rotterdam? For instance the Wilhelmina Pier:

Situation in the 90's:



Near future (several towers in the 145-175 m range):








And at the north side of the Maas, residential Zalmhaven Tower 212 m:





Office towers ranging from 130 m to 240 m, no detailed designs yet:




Old, but awesome panorama pic, imagine this in a few years from now:

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Old September 17th, 2009, 03:15 AM   #2007
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^ wow cool ultra topic relevant future skyline images -.-

however.

not the newest frankfurt skyline pic, but from a cool angle.



fake hollandsje besrijbung / fake holandse descriptie :

(dies van fotogrphje is een van trickreichje fotografje , hat eine van gerissene perspektivijes gewähltije, rotzerdam ziet natjurlik beter aus als frankfoortje, aber strikt genomen is mijn aars cooler als van de rotzingerdam)


source: http://s1020.photobucket.com/albums/...kenskyline.jpg
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Old September 17th, 2009, 03:27 AM   #2008
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Old September 17th, 2009, 10:33 AM   #2009
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^ wow cool ultra topic relevant future skyline images -.-

however.

not the newest frankfurt skyline pic, but from a cool angle.



fake hollandsje besrijbung / fake holandse descriptie :

(dies van fotogrphje is een van trickreichje fotografje , hat eine van gerissene perspektivijes gewähltije, rotzerdam ziet natjurlik beter aus als frankfoortje, aber strikt genomen is mijn aars cooler als van de rotzingerdam)


source: http://s1020.photobucket.com/albums/...kenskyline.jpg
WTF are you trying to say?
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Old September 17th, 2009, 08:15 PM   #2010
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Fantastic London images there! Seriously, anyone who says London doesn't have a skyline is a complete and utter ****.
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Old September 18th, 2009, 12:15 AM   #2011
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You could build nearly 3 towers in LD for the price of the Heron Tower now under construction in the city, or the Shard or The Pinnacle which are costing nearly £1 billion EACH.
What are you talking about?
Hermitage plaza will cost 2.5 billion €!!
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Not skyline pics of Madrid but like many others in this thread worth to see and share.






pics by wapo
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WTF are you trying to say?
Looks like Fries. That's a Dutch dialect spoken in the province Friesland. Funny enough I can't understand them, but I can read this :P
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Madrid's skyscrapers are so cool!
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I agree, but they need some more friends....
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I agree, but they need some more friends....
Yeah...but it's better than not having them.
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That's a moot point.... In Paris we had/have the Tour Maine-Montparnasse........the loneliest European' skyscraper (and also the first one )

Edit: Let me end my sentence..... .

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Don't forget that Spain has joined the party recently. For many years they were against high rise construction and that's changing.
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That's a moot point.... In Paris we had/have the Tour Maine-Montparnasse........the loneliest European' skyscraper (and also the first one )

Edit: Let me end my sentence..... .
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If you had actually been to London or CW and walked around it, you would soon see the difference in quality of materials, cladding and general street level construction standards are FAR better than LD in Paris.

I've been to LD in Paris a few times, and its a concrete dump.......

None of the talls in LD would get built in CW or the City, they are very cheap compared to CW/City in all aspects of design and quality of materials used....

You could build nearly 3 towers in LD for the price of the Heron Tower now under construction in the city, or the Shard or The Pinnacle which are costing nearly £1 billion EACH, more than twice as much as ANY of the proposed Paris Supertalls, such are the design standards imposed on London projects. You make not like the individual designs, thats a personal subjective opinion, but the quality of the actual materials and cladding used are beyond comparison.

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So many of the opinions of people on this forum about LD are based upon long distance skyline shots from this forum, ALOT of them would change their minds if they actually went there, like i have.

Im not going to comment on Frankfurt's towers, as i have never been, but when Frankfurt has one tenth the of attractions that London has, besides skyscrapers, i might consider a vist.

Oh no , crazymac is back

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The Pinnacle which are costing nearly £1 billion EACH, more than twice as much as ANY of the proposed Paris Supertalls

tour phare : more than 1 billion euro
hermitage plaza : 2.5 billion euro ...
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