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Old September 29th, 2009, 09:42 AM   #2101
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Im sorry but Rotterdam's highrises are barely above commie blocks in terms of quality.

Stop comparing it to the likes of Frankfurt or la Defense.
Yeah right Most Rotterdam towers won awards because they are unique or just great. Like the Red Apple (wich many people don't like), it's in the run for Best Tall Building Europe. But well, if you don't like it I can't change it
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Old September 29th, 2009, 10:03 AM   #2102
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Old September 29th, 2009, 10:27 AM   #2103
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Im sorry but Rotterdam's highrises are barely above commie blocks in terms of quality.

Stop comparing it to the likes of Frankfurt or la Defense.
First of all. Who's is comparing R'dam with Paris or F'furt? Nobody!
Secondly. What is quality? Paris and F'furt for example have highrises which are all or mainly office buildings, off which the cladding is glass. Much highrises in R'dam's are residential buildings, these are brick buildings. You can't compare this.
I think R'dam skyline is quit unique, because I find it more colourful than Paris or F'furt and R'dam has a one of a kind Bridge (Erasmus Bridge) which is 140 meters tall and which gives the skyline an extra dimension.
I don't say R dam has a better skyline. No! Paris, F'furt and London have a better skyline.

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Old September 29th, 2009, 04:44 PM   #2104
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I don't understand the absence of Moscow from the list. It will soon be the greatest skyline in the continnent!
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Old September 29th, 2009, 04:49 PM   #2105
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^Since when is Russia part of the EU?
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Old September 29th, 2009, 05:09 PM   #2106
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Russia isnt part of the EU, but besides this i dont like the Moscow skyline, let me refrase, i dont like the modern one (i love the old one of seven sisters etc). The Modern one is too monotone and dense, lacking any diversity.
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Old September 29th, 2009, 05:13 PM   #2107
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German section shouuld sent this as a banner..

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Old September 29th, 2009, 08:47 PM   #2108
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the moscow "skyline" is actually just a cluster surrounded by countless commie blocks and other random communist architecture.

the moral of the story is; you cannot cheat experienced people who are used to live in top urban periphery with a few new glassy skyscrapers or highrises stuffed in a cluster like matches in a matchbox to distract attention from the ugly rest...





...imho of course
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Old September 29th, 2009, 10:23 PM   #2109
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imho of course
No, it´s common sense.
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Old September 29th, 2009, 11:39 PM   #2110
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Whatever they say about Rotterdam, it has a long way to go to match the others in quality (attention, quality, I'm not speaking about quantity or density).
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Old September 30th, 2009, 10:58 AM   #2111
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i guess it's about time to thrash out a definition for "quality" in context with architecture,
because the term "quality" doesn't mean necessarily "aesthetic design".

so if you're talking about the appearance, then just say design! it's more understandable for the masses and especially for "dhe nohn englis spikers."
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Old September 30th, 2009, 11:25 AM   #2112
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@ PortoNuts
You mean to match with Paris or F'furt. But London hasn't got that much better highrises as R'dam. The only better one is 'One Canada Square'.
'HSBC' and 'Citigroup Center' aren't that great. They match witch each other, but on it selfs I think they aren't better as 'de Delftse Poort', 'de Maastoren' or 'de Millenniumtoren'.
The 'WTC', 'The Red Apple' and 'de Fortis Blaak' have also quality.
London Skyline is better. But more quality?

R'dam:

Delftse Poort and Millenniumtoren (Photo by Marin)


Delftse Poort (Photo by Flocki)


Delftse Poort (From Wikipedia)
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Maastoren (Photo by Eric Offereins)
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Maastoren (Photo's by Topaas)
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Millenniumtoren (Photo by Marco de Nood)


The Red Apple (Photo by Eric Offereins)
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The Red Apple is shining (Photo's posted by Jeromeo)
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WTC (Photo's by Rotterdam Highrise)




WTC (Photo by Huib Nederhof)
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Fortis Blaak (Photo's by Jan?)




Fortis Blaak (Photo NegaSado)
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London:

HSBC (From Wikipedia)
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Citigroup (From Wikipedia)
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Tower 42 (from Emporis)
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Old September 30th, 2009, 12:36 PM   #2113
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you forgot some nice and interesting buildings and highrises in London (one canada square, mary axe for example and the (great!)historical parts of londons sykline like Big Ben, Tower Bridge) in your comparsion and just picked out the bad ones. Rotterdam offers much crap, too (and overrated crap like the red apple )
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@ PortoNuts
You mean to match with Paris or F'furt. But London hasn't got that much better highrises as R'dam. The only better one is 'One Canada Square'.
'HSBC' and 'Citigroup Center' aren't that great. They match witch each other, but on it selfs I think they aren't better as 'de Delftse Poort', 'de Maastoren' or 'de Millenniumtoren'.
The 'WTC', 'The Red Apple' and 'de Fortis Blaakz' have also quality.
London Skyline is better. But more quality?


Fortis Blaak (Photo's by Murphy/Jahn)




what a cheap copy of Westendstr. 1 in Frankfurt...
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You mean to match with Paris or F'furt. But London hasn't got that much better highrises as R'dam. The only better one is 'One Canada Square'.
'HSBC' and 'Citigroup Center' aren't that great. They match witch each other, but on it selfs I think they aren't better as 'de Delftse Poort', 'de Maastoren' or 'de Millenniumtoren'.
The 'WTC', 'The Red Apple' and 'de Fortis Blaak' have also quality.
London Skyline is better. But more quality?[/IMG]
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Old September 30th, 2009, 03:46 PM   #2116
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What a load of crap, Londons quality is in terms of materials used, design and urban setting. Rotterdam has no skyscrapers of what i would call high quality. Alot of the rotterdam buildings remind me of non descript ones in London. This does not mean that i think Rotterdams buildings are awful or unworthy of this forum though.
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Old September 30th, 2009, 04:34 PM   #2117
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London hasn't got that much better highrises as R'dam.
You´ve got to be kidding. London has the best designed high-rises in Europe. Go visit and you´ll see for yourself.

Take a look:

http://www.freshwatertechnology.com/...ide/CPP030.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3203/...94cdcf1a7c.jpg

http://www.highlimitaccidentlifeinsu..._night1-01.jpg

http://i30.************/17g8b7.jpg

http://www.21stcenturychallenges.org...ton_+_Crow.jpg
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what a cheap copy of Westendstr. 1 in Frankfurt...
Don't think so. Westendstrasse (2003) is a copy of Fortis Blaak (1996) !
Do some research before you reply such nonsense!
Sorry I made a mistake. Westendstrasse is from 1993.
I like them both and would not call it a cheap copy.
By the way. Helmuth Jahn from Murphy/Jahn was the architect for this building in R'dam.

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you forgot some nice and interesting buildings and highrises in London (one canada square, mary axe for example and the (great!)historical parts of londons sykline like Big Ben, Tower Bridge) in your comparsion and just picked out the bad ones. Rotterdam offers much crap, too (and overrated crap like the red apple )
Can't you read? I said the only better one is 'One Canada Square'!
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The first and the last one are very nice, but the rest sucks!
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