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Frankfurt am Main - Germany 532 32.92%
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Old November 27th, 2009, 10:43 PM   #2801
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Thanks for all the great photos in this topic. I really enjoyed it.

In the past couple of weeks, I've tried to calculate some "objective" (omitting all subjective opinions about beauty, composition etc.) scores for all skylines in the European Union. I start with explaining the data en methodology and finish with the results in a nice graph.

Calculations

Data: All existing 100+ buildings and buildings under construction (residential and office buildings, excluding antennas etc.), which form a cluster. All buildings should be connected with the cluster. The maximum distance between the building and the high-rise cluster is 2 kilometres. If the distance is larger than 2km, then the building is excluded from the calculations.

Using this dataset, we calculate a skyline score between 10% and 100%, based on three characteristics of the skyline.

The first characteristic is the size of the skyline. We measure this as the sum of the height of all buildings in metres. We calculate a size score between 10% and 100% using a linear scale. 500 metres is equal to 10% and the skyline with the largest size determines the maximum score of 100%, for 2012 we set 100% at 4983 meters (Skyline of la Défense, Paris).

The second characteristic is the height of the skyline. We measure this as the average height of the top 5 highest buildings within the cluster. We use the same method as described above to calculate a score for height.

The last characteristic is the density of the skyline. We calculate this as the average density for each building in the skyline. The density of a building is calculated as the average distance between building X with the top 5 nearest building in its surroundings. This time we use a logarithmic scale (we get a better fit using log scale in stead of linear scale) to convert the results in a score between 10% and 100%.

The average of the 3 scores (size, height and density) determines the total score for the skyline.

In the graph below we show the results of the calculations. The first graph depicts the total score. The 3 graphs below show the scores for the 3 characteristics described above. (Translation: Omvang=Size, Hoogte=Height and Dichtheid=Density).



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Old November 28th, 2009, 12:34 AM   #2802
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Old November 28th, 2009, 10:37 AM   #2803
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Old November 28th, 2009, 02:27 PM   #2804
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Old November 28th, 2009, 04:01 PM   #2805
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Old November 28th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #2806
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Old November 28th, 2009, 11:48 PM   #2807
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Old November 29th, 2009, 10:31 AM   #2808
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Old November 29th, 2009, 11:46 AM   #2809
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@md82 - Thanks for that! Other results then the poll. Funny to see.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 12:47 PM   #2810
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Old November 29th, 2009, 06:45 PM   #2811
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Old November 29th, 2009, 07:22 PM   #2812
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@ md82

your callculation makes basically benidorm (according to your criteria) to be the best skyline in the eu, and if not eu, then south american cities, they are dense, usually huge like big mommas bootie and at least higher than rotterdam on average.

so you've said "objective"? well my schnitzel here right in front of me is even more objective as your pseudo-objective callculation.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 07:44 PM   #2813
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Old November 29th, 2009, 07:51 PM   #2814
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That London pic and the Frankfurt towers are just .
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Old November 29th, 2009, 10:37 PM   #2816
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Thanks for all the great photos in this topic. I really enjoyed it.

In the past couple of weeks, I've tried to calculate some "objective" (omitting all subjective opinions about beauty, composition etc.) scores for all skylines in the European Union. I start with explaining the data en methodology and finish with the results in a nice graph.

Calculations

Data: All existing 100+ buildings and buildings under construction (residential and office buildings, excluding antennas etc.), which form a cluster. All buildings should be connected with the cluster. The maximum distance between the building and the high-rise cluster is 2 kilometres. If the distance is larger than 2km, then the building is excluded from the calculations.

Using this dataset, we calculate a skyline score between 10% and 100%, based on three characteristics of the skyline.

The first characteristic is the size of the skyline. We measure this as the sum of the height of all buildings in metres. We calculate a size score between 10% and 100% using a linear scale. 500 metres is equal to 10% and the skyline with the largest size determines the maximum score of 100%, for 2012 we set 100% at 4983 meters (Skyline of la Défense, Paris).

The second characteristic is the height of the skyline. We measure this as the average height of the top 5 highest buildings within the cluster. We use the same method as described above to calculate a score for height.

The last characteristic is the density of the skyline. We calculate this as the average density for each building in the skyline. The density of a building is calculated as the average distance between building X with the top 5 nearest building in its surroundings. This time we use a logarithmic scale (we get a better fit using log scale in stead of linear scale) to convert the results in a score between 10% and 100%.

The average of the 3 scores (size, height and density) determines the total score for the skyline.

In the graph below we show the results of the calculations. The first graph depicts the total score. The 3 graphs below show the scores for the 3 characteristics described above. (Translation: Omvang=Size, Hoogte=Height and Dichtheid=Density).






This is really interesting indeed!!
Great job man, you must have put alot of effort to do this!!
Thanks for sharing
cheers
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Old November 30th, 2009, 02:39 AM   #2817
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Old November 30th, 2009, 03:05 AM   #2818
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Old November 30th, 2009, 05:21 PM   #2819
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@ md82

your callculation makes basically benidorm (according to your criteria) to be the best skyline in the eu, and if not eu, then south american cities, they are dense, usually huge like big mommas bootie and at least higher than rotterdam on average.

so you've said "objective"? well my schnitzel here right in front of me is even more objective as your pseudo-objective callculation.
Besides the top 10 shown in the graph, I also calculated the results for Benidorm, Barcelona, Vienna, Milano and Napoli.

You're right about the height of the buildings in Benidorm, but the total score of Benidorm drops because of a lack in Size and Density. The total score for Benidorm is 45.7% (Size 34%, Height 62%, Density 40%)

I do not know what South American cities have to do with a list of skylines from the European Union???

Finally, although there is room for discussion about the methodology and data (which is the case in all researches), the calculations are 100% objective, which makes the results objective.
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This is really interesting indeed!!
Great job man, you must have put alot of effort to do this!!
Thanks for sharing
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