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Frankfurt am Main - Germany 532 32.92%
Rotterdam - the Netherlands 199 12.31%
London - UK 230 14.23%
Paris - France 380 23.51%
Warsaw - Polen 275 17.02%
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Old May 20th, 2009, 07:27 PM   #821
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reat picture. The skyline however can run for the "ugliest" contest. The buildings are ugly, have poor design and spoil the entire landscape!
Like always. We know that the buildings are ugly Benidorm, and a design was too "SudAmerican." But the truth is that we aren't here to judge the beauty of some other buildings, but forming the skyline. And the truth is that the skyline of Benidorm is better than in Rotterdam. Right now, the better a 200m skyscraper, "Residential In Time", which will make even more spectacular.

And I keep saying the same: 8 of 100m buildings in Rotterdam aren't a better skyline than four 250m in Madrid. Moreover, with an additional difference, which is that these buildings are surrounded by Rotterdam smaller, 3, 4 or 5 floors, so although it isn't too high, the buildings of Rotterdam seem much higher as they really are. And what I said in a previous post: the large majority of these highrises would be a mockery of Rotterdam next to the four towers in Madrid. Moreover, the tallest building in Rotterdam will be the sixth in Madrid. If you see in the photo of Fabrega, all these buildings that are next to the CTBA, are between 18 and 22 floors, which is normal in Rotterdam. So you can get an idea of representing the skyline of Rotterdam to the magnificence of the skyscrapers "madrileños".

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Old May 20th, 2009, 07:50 PM   #822
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the truth is that the skyline of Benidorm is better than in Rotterdam


Density doesn't equal quality. And anyway, how dare you to judge in the name of others?

It's all about subjective matters, there is no "truth" in subjective matters, since it's all about personal perception.
There might be a whole lot of people who prefer the Rotterdam skyline over the Benidorm one. I'm one of them.
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Old May 20th, 2009, 10:47 PM   #823
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Rotterdam has many high-rise buildings in its center because of its history.
The historic center of Rotterdam was extremely damaged during WWII, Paris wasn't !

The historic center of Paris is largely intact and we wont replace Notre Dame, Le Marais or the Latin quarter, by skyscrapers.....

Anyway from the point of view of the urban area of Paris, La défense is really close the center of the city, more, Front de Seine and Montparnasse tower (210m) are inside the center of Paris !

Rotterdam after WWII bombing :
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As a Dutch, I know the history of Rotterdam offcourse!
Offcourse it would be a shame if they demolis the center of Paris, because it's beautifull!

But it's not about why there are(n't) skyscrapers in the center of the city, I just like it more when skyscrapers are in the center
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Old May 20th, 2009, 10:51 PM   #824
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^Agreed. Rotterdam chose to build skyscrapers in the center instead of normal rowhouses and buildings like Amsterdam or any other city has.

@DidacXavier - How many times are you going to tell us that "8 of 100m buildings in Rotterdam aren't a better skyline than four 250m in Madrid".
I know your opinion now I say: 4 of 250m in isn't better than 8 of 100m. It's just an opinion, but I hear you saying it over and over again.
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Old May 20th, 2009, 10:57 PM   #825
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Old May 20th, 2009, 11:53 PM   #826
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It's everyone's individual opinion if skyline is good or not. For me great cluster consist of at least 6 towers, it's dense, it has different-sized builidings (both low and high structures) and one dominate but not too dominating (I mean the second highest tower in cluster is at least 3/5 of the height of the tallest one). Architecture and appearance also counts. I like mixed glass and oldschool towers got together in one cluster.

That's why I don't like Madrid skyline. It looks like four posts sticking out of the ground -----> | | | |
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Old May 21st, 2009, 12:37 AM   #827
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Today I visited Intraco building http://www.urbanity.pl/zdjecie2290/warszawa.

On the 38th floor there is a window turned to the south. It gives really beautiful view.









Impressive, isn't it?

If someone would like to have the full scale photos, please ask me. I'll send them by e-mail.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 02:24 AM   #828
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Some more London. All pics from the UK forum.

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Heres another shot taken by me the other night from a crazy vantage point in South London.... anyone wanna go up there let me know!
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Old May 21st, 2009, 03:36 AM   #829
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Old May 21st, 2009, 07:53 AM   #830
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But it's not about why there are(n't) skyscrapers in the center of the city, I just like it more when skyscrapers are in the center
So, again : Do you prefer, a real historic center (when it exists) or a "downtown" just like north american cities have !

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^Agreed. Rotterdam chose to build skyscrapers in the center instead of normal rowhouses and buildings like Amsterdam or any other city has.
Do you really think it was a choice ???

For me, it is just a historic constraint !

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How many times are you going to tell us that "8 of 100m buildings in Rotterdam aren't a better skyline than four 250m in Madrid".
I know your opinion now I say: 4 of 250m in isn't better than 8 of 100m. It's just an opinion, but I hear you saying it over and over again.
I agree, especially about Paris : 60/70 100m+... but simply one 200m+ (today)...

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No it isn't !!
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Old May 21st, 2009, 08:12 AM   #831
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This is the closest you get for a waterfront pic of Madrid the Azca financial area. There is one more tower in this area that is u/c now but is only 104m and is really just replacing the old windsor tower that burned in a fire.


by ecthelion

Well alot of you problably wondering why diden't Madrid build the 4 towers in Azca area? Here is the answer "operacion chamartin" one of the biggest urbanistic project of the EU. Azca was also full and there was lack of space.

Spaniards started from scrap for their new financial district,they choose this instead of overcrowding Azca. Infrasctructure is already planned, some already done, the rest to start this summer. Subway, train, higspeedtrains, tunnels. All to make it one of the most accesible financial districts of europe, the higspeed train will connect it to other financial centers of the EU and other important cities of Spain.

No towers will raise anytime soon sense is early in the project, except the round building next to the four towers which it has alredy been finance for its first fase of contruction. The rest are just volumes to represent the amount of sq meter allowed in each lot. I think it was a good move for the future sense it gives them plenty of space to grow and better access. Sadly only one or 2 towers will reach the 300m barrier. They hope everything will be ready for Madrids 2016 olympic bid.

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Yes, I realy think Rotterdam chose to build skyscrapers after city center was bombed.
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No it isn't !!
To be honest all european skylines look miserable... especially compared to north american and asian skylines.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 12:06 PM   #834
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^That's because European cities have more history, and they don't want to build a skyscraper next to it, mostly.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 12:20 PM   #835
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You really thinks so Chris? Come on, city's in North America and Asia has al lot more skyscrapers, that's why! And if this was the case in Europe, then there was evenso a skyline, but not in the city center. Be realistic man!
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flexpur, there is a reason why american and asian cities have more skyscrapers than european cities ... and that's mainly due to the fact, that most european cities have historic cores, which are protected.

and btw. there are cities in europe with skyscraper skylines right in the city center ...
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^ Like Frankfurt, Warsaw, Rotterdam and London.
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Old May 21st, 2009, 01:34 PM   #838
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You really thinks so Chris? Come on, city's in North America and Asia has al lot more skyscrapers, that's why! And if this was the case in Europe, then there was evenso a skyline, but not in the city center. Be realistic man!
Dat is het domste argument wat ik ooit heb gehoord (Ja ik zie dat je uit A'dam komt vandaar dat ik t even zo doe ).
Maar kom op zeg, 'omdat ze meer wolkenkrabbers hebben' is toch geen argument? Je weet dat heus wel.
Het is gewoon een feit dat de steden hier in Europa voor het overgrote deel meer historie hebben waardoor en minder kan worden gebouwd.
Daarnaast is er nog niet zo super lang hoogbouw in Europa, en het komt nu langzaam op gang in vele steden.
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So, again : Do you prefer, a real historic center (when it exists) or a "downtown" just like north american cities have !
I both like them, but Rotterdam couldn't have a historic center anymore, so now they have a downtown, and thats what I like about a skyline (thats what we are talking about right)?
For historic I'll go to other Dutch cities
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the photo is from "the best skyline in eastern europe" thread

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