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View Poll Results: Your favourite skyline: cast your vote!
Frankfurt am Main - Germany 532 32.92%
Rotterdam - the Netherlands 199 12.31%
London - UK 230 14.23%
Paris - France 380 23.51%
Warsaw - Polen 275 17.02%
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Old June 6th, 2009, 11:27 AM   #961
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Old June 6th, 2009, 02:28 PM   #962
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Visualisation of the new center of Warsaw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoHh34Cm51w
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Old June 6th, 2009, 03:17 PM   #963
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List of buildings on London over 100m.


London > One Canada Square 235.10 50 Office Retail 1991 Complete

London > HSBC World Headquarters 199.50 45 Office None 2002 Complete

London > Citigroup European Headquarters 199.50 45 Office None 2002 Complete

London > Tower 42 183.00 47 Office Retail 1980 Complete

London > 30 St Marys Axe 179.80 41 Office Retail 2003 Complete

London > BT Telecom Tower 177.00 34 Masts Office 1966 Complete

London > Broadgate Tower 164.30 35 Office Retail 2008 Complete

London > 1 Churchill Place 156.00 32 Office None 2004 Complete

London > 40 Bank Street 153.00 33 Office None 2003 Complete

London > 25 Bank Street 153.00 33 Office None 2003 Complete

London > 10 Upper Bank Street 151.00 32 Office None 2003 Complete

London > Guys Hospital 142.60 34 Hospitals None 1974 Complete

London > BA London Eye 135.00 – Ferris Wheel None 1999 Complete

London > Wembley Stadium 133.00 6 Stadium None 2007 Complete

London > Citypoint 127.10 36 Office Retail 2001 Complete

London > Willis Building 124.90 26 Office Retail 2008 Complete

London > Euston Tower 124.40 36 Office None 1970 Complete

London > Shakespeare Tower 123.77 43 Residential None 1976 Complete

London > Lauderdale Tower 123.77 43 Residential None 1974 Complete

London > Cromwell Tower 123.77 42 Residential None 1973 Complete

London > Millbank Tower 119.00 33 Office None 1962 Complete

London > St Helens 118.00 28 Office None 1969 Complete

London > Centre Point 117.35 35 Office None 1967 Complete

London > Empress State Building 117.00 31 Office None 1961 Complete

London > Kings Reach Tower 111.00 30 Office None 1978 Complete

London > No. 1 West India Quay 111.00 34 Residential Hotel 2004 Complete

London > St Pauls Cathedral 111.00 – Place of Worship None 1711 Complete

London > Upstream Building 107.00 26 Office None 1962 Complete

London > 33 Canada Square 105.00 18 Office None 1999 Complete

London > Ontario Tower New Providence Wharf 104.30 32 Residential Hotel 2008 Complete

London > 99 Bishopsgate 104.00 26 Office None 1976 Complete

London > Battersea Power Station 103.00 – Powerstation Mixed 1955 Complete

London > Portland House 101.00 29 Office None 1963 Complete

London > The London Hilton on Park Lane 101.00 29 Hotel None 1963 Complete

London > Exchange Tower 100.00 26 Office None 1970 Complete

London > Southwark Towers 100.00 25 Office None 1976 Complete

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Old June 6th, 2009, 04:01 PM   #964
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You missed out some, namely the taller Landmark tower (140m), both Pan Peninsula towers (147m, 122m) and 100 Middlesex Street (105m.)
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Old June 6th, 2009, 04:53 PM   #965
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I'm really wondering how someone can vote for Liverpool or birmingham as the best skyline in EU. If your really objective there is no way you can say either of those come even close to being the best skyline in EU.
Probably most people just vote for their own city.
Anyay, I have to say I agree with the overall ranking though.

1. Frankfurt (by far)
2. Paris (very modern district, some nice towers, very dense but miss some height)
3. Warsaw (modern + good height + good organization but not dense enough)

the rest is either not organized, miss height/dense, plain ugly or too spread out or a combination of them
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Old June 6th, 2009, 05:48 PM   #966
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maybe madrid has 14 buildings above 100m but its in whole city. In warsaw are in the city centre... which makes really good skyline
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Old June 6th, 2009, 06:18 PM   #967
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That is true. Since Spain's (for example!) entire structure is less mature and and not that strong and organized. The common people notice it much more than in France or Germany.
Say you do not know Spain, neither you nor parcdesprinces. Of course, Spain is not Germany or France (I give thanks that this is so), but we have what you wish. You know how many Germans living in Spain? And English? Only in Valencia, more than 100,000 English and 60,000 Germans, fleeing from his "spectacular" countries.

The Spanish health is recognized as the best in the world: free and universal. Education is free and universal. Our pension system is one of the best of the world (pensions paid exclusively by the state, depending on the amounts and years of contributions). The unemployed receive unemployment benefits, according to the time quoted, equivalent to 60-70% of their gross salary, paid by the state.

We are the first European country in number of kilometers of highways and rail lines of high speed, in addition to being built. We are the first European country in renewable energy production (solar and wind).

In this crisis, our banks have not suffered the same as those of France, Germany or United Kingdom. Opel is German, and their situation is terrible. Germany has a GDP at -6.1% in the first quarter of this year (-2.9% in Spain). France has not exceeded 3% of GDP growth over the past 10 years (several years Spain has been above 4%). The poorest regions of Germany are poorer than the poorest in Spain. Spanish income per capita has surpassed Italy and is very close to moving to France. In Spain there are 8 regions (half of all), with an income per capita above the average for the European Union. Such is the case, the second region with the highest income per capita in France, would be the sixth in Spain. What is the main problem in Spain? The previous government (Aznar), chose a growth model ruinous for the country, based on construction without control, once the current crisis arrival, he sent many people into unemployment, especially foreigners (remember that Spain is the country Europe with an increased number of foreigners, with 12% of the total population, about 5,500,000, mostly Moroccans, Romanians and South America, cheap labor and low skilled, who have paid before the crisis, due to the majority worked in construction). Spain is a country not just organized. We have our faults, as is evident, and our commitment is to continue improving. But Spain is a young democracy (30 years) and were subjected to 40 years of dictatorship (1936-1975)), and nobody helped us, we did not have any Marshall Plan. It is true that the entry into the European Union has helped us a lot (especially with German money), but we were able to manage). I give a lot of anger that Spain should be associated only sun, beach, bulls or flamenco. And that's just a tiny part of what it really means Spain. We are a Latin country with a different character to German or French, but not worse. Spain isn't Romania (with all due respect to Romanians), or Malawi. Spain is a modern country, which lives very well, where they came from over 4 million foreigners in the past 10 years to work (more than any other European country), and many live well (Germans, Swiss, Dutch, French, British ...). Our salaries may be lower than those of other countries, but we won fairly well (I won 34,000 euros a year as head of a small supermarket). In Germany maybe laugh, but for Spain, where everything is cheaper in generally, in other countries, is enough.

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Old June 6th, 2009, 06:48 PM   #968
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WTF is this here?
This thread is about skylines...it is not a damn contest which country is the best in the EU!
Ridiculous!!!
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Old June 6th, 2009, 06:52 PM   #969
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One more of Warsaw city center. There's so much discussion in here that I don't remember if it had been posted here before



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Old June 6th, 2009, 07:29 PM   #970
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Say you do not know Spain, neither you nor parcdesprinces.
Totaly off-topic but...

who said that Spain isn't a great Nation ????? Nobody !
I know Spain and I love to go there !

But the consequences of the crisis in Spain are much more important than in France. It's a fact, nothing more nothing less....

According to OECD "France showing more resilience in recession than other G7 countries": Fact, again !

Example: Unemployment in Spain is 17.4%, it was 13,9 % last year... Another fact.
By comparison :
France: 8,7 % (7,6% last year)
Germany: 8,2% (7,5% last year)

PS: about high speed train lines, which are not free to build, I think all these kinds of projects have accelerated the crisis in Spain. Anyway I don't think Spain has the largest network :

France: 1 847 km
Germany: 1290 km
Spain: 1 272.3 km
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Old June 6th, 2009, 08:21 PM   #971
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Oh yes, we should build more solar power plants in our sunny northern countries ...
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Old June 6th, 2009, 08:44 PM   #972
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Especially in the sunny and mediterranean/subtropical Paris !
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Old June 6th, 2009, 10:00 PM   #973
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I'm really wondering how someone can vote for Liverpool or birmingham as the best skyline in EU. If your really objective there is no way you can say either of those come even close to being the best skyline in EU.
Probably most people just vote for their own city.
Anyay, I have to say I agree with the overall ranking though.

1. Frankfurt (by far)
2. Paris (very modern district, some nice towers, very dense but miss some height)
3. Warsaw (modern + good height + good organization but not dense enough)

the rest is either not organized, miss height/dense, plain ugly or too spread out or a combination of them
How can not include London there.Warsaw's got about 7 highrises + overall shite architecture and hardly any height.And plus it doesn't even have good composition.There must be allot of poles on this forum.

Oh and skyscrapersuperman,Landmark tower and 100 middlesex aren't completed.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 10:24 PM   #974
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How can not include London there.Warsaw's got about 7 highrises
Why do you spread lies? It was stated before that Warsaw has 15 highrises + 2 proper skyscrapers (+200m). Otherwise prove your statement.

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+ overall shite architecture and hardly any height. And plus it doesn't even have good composition.
We can say exactly the same thing about London's skyline, some self-criticism please.

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There must be allot of poles on this forum.
I really don't like nor understand the anti-warsaw/anti-polish themes lately in this thread.


ps. Sorry for my poor English

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Old June 6th, 2009, 10:46 PM   #975
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has 15 highrises + 2 proper skyscrapers (+200m).
Highrise = more than 150 meters !

2 proper skycrapers , really ?
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Old June 6th, 2009, 10:51 PM   #976
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Highrise = more than 150 meters !
I'm not an expert and I don't pretend to be a one, so forgive me this, although I thought it's 100-200m...

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2 proper skycrapers , really ?
If you have on mind buildings above 200m (don't know if I have the definition of skyscraper correct, otherwise correct me), then there are two such buildings in Warsaw.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 10:55 PM   #977
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Highrise = more than 150 meters !
since when ???? I thought it was 100m+.. ??

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OK, this thread is going to become another Eurovison -whatever you want - Contest...

So.. random pictures of Paris skylines :









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Old June 6th, 2009, 11:00 PM   #978
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I'm not an expert and I don't pretend to be a one, so forgive me this, although I thought it's 100-200m...
i think it's subjective , but for me it's :

50m< low-rise
between50 and 150 mid-rise
between 150 and 200 highrise
between 200 and 300 skycrapers .
more than 300 : SUPERTALL !

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If you have on mind buildings above 200m (don't know if I have the definition of skyscraper correct, otherwise correct me), then there are two such buildings in Warsaw.
Well , i don't want to bash warsaw , but for me it's more two highrise with a giant spire ...
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Old June 6th, 2009, 11:23 PM   #979
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150m midrise omg, where are You from boy?
I guess theres no need to discuss anything more with You, Obviously You are an expert.
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oh ! personal insult ! great !

Just because i say warsaw has no skycrapers ?
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