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Frankfurt am Main - Germany 532 32.92%
Rotterdam - the Netherlands 199 12.31%
London - UK 230 14.23%
Paris - France 380 23.51%
Warsaw - Polen 275 17.02%
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Old June 29th, 2009, 09:26 AM   #1161
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Milan and North Italy is the commercial/business center of Italy since many years ...

so, whats new now ?!
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Old June 29th, 2009, 10:32 AM   #1162
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countach, you overrate milans projects

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Old June 29th, 2009, 11:26 AM   #1163
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In this forum, feel that apart from Germany, there is nothing (at least for the german). Despise the other countries and cities where they don't realize they only have one city to exhibit, Frankfurt. The rest isn't worth anything (not Berlin). I find very interesting project for Milan, whose economy and financial significance is similar to that of Frankfurt. Similarly, all projects of Paris, will turn the french capital in the city with the most beautiful and spectacular skyline of the European Union. Why is that in Germany, with a GDP growth of -7%, it will be very difficult to build skyscrapers ...
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Old June 29th, 2009, 11:41 AM   #1164
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Old June 29th, 2009, 12:00 PM   #1165
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Old June 29th, 2009, 12:07 PM   #1166
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In this forum, feel that apart from Germany, there is nothing (at least for the german). Despise the other countries and cities where they don't realize they only have one city to exhibit, Frankfurt. The rest isn't worth anything (not Berlin). I find very interesting project for Milan, whose economy and financial significance is similar to that of Frankfurt. Similarly, all projects of Paris, will turn the french capital in the city with the most beautiful and spectacular skyline of the European Union. Why is that in Germany, with a GDP growth of -7%, it will be very difficult to build skyscrapers ...
This is simply a lie. At least most Germans here respect Rotterdam, London and PAris and also gave votes to Warsaw. It is more the Spaniards who bitch around here making CTBA as their steady contribution to this thread and even bashing others.
And even with a growth of -4 to -5% there were old towers brought up again like Bahn Tower which rose from 80m to 210m, the PWC Tower which was supposed to have 185m and is at 204m currently. Marieninsel (230m), long time out of discussion, is now back and new designs are being put on track again:

Not to forget several other towers which turned out taller than expected and projects being extended and / or built earlier than expected. Don't forget that LOCAL economy is not overall economy and several parts of Germany do not suffer so much from the recession, some firms do even benefit from it!
And building in a recession is cheaper than in times of economic booms. Public institutions do invest heavily into infra-structure and contruction.
But this is not the first time you attack Germany trying to childishly provoke any anti-German ressentments and hoping to see German anti-Paris or whatever comments. Most of us like Paris' and London's skyline. You are just a little kid wining because it doesn't get enough attention!
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Old June 29th, 2009, 12:44 PM   #1167
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Old June 29th, 2009, 12:48 PM   #1168
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The buildings of Warsaw have a great design! I also love that old skyscraper which makes Warsaw look so unique!
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Old June 29th, 2009, 01:44 PM   #1169
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I think there is only one EU competition: between Paris and Francfort skylines (+ Moscow and Istanbul for the European one) !!
London is a special case because its skyline is not impressive while the Greater London has many highrise buildings...

The other cities don't compete in the same category !

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I think Milan will have a hard stand if it wants to have the same building activity as London or Paris...
Surely the impact will be more visible in Milan as it will have 3 (?) new buildings taller than the current tallest, while building in dense La Défense area doesn't have such a huge impact on the skyline.
That's what I meant in my last post !

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@DidacXavier : You know, it is the same for each European country, I mean there is one city in each country which has real skyscrapers : the economic & financial Capital of the country (most of time) !!
I think if Paris will have, according to you, the best skyline of UE (if it's not already done, according to me ),and if there are so many projects:
It's because Paris area is the richest region of the continent, with the best GDP per capita in Europe (which is higher than the Dutch one, for example) and the 5th one in the world for a city !!
The growth of Paris/Ile de France is also the best of Europe (Demography and GDP).....

So, the growth of a whole nation for a great financial district isn't relevant :
Wich is relevant is the growth per city.

That's why Paris, London and Francfort already have many skyscrapers + many projects (Milan is an exception, I admit) !

Others pics of Paris (again, I know..) !

nowadays:







Future:




On the left, Jean-Michel Wilmotte's project for Signal tower wich will be built, apparently, because its investors seem to want it (approved in april) :
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Levallois-Perret (u/c)


Issy Les Moulineaux (proposal, Herzog & Meuron)


Clichy/Levallois (u/c)



Issy Les Moulineaux (proposal, Loci Anima & Hasegawa)


Issy Les Moulineaux (proposal, Jacques Ferrier)


........ etc
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Old June 29th, 2009, 02:38 PM   #1170
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paris future looks definitive imperessive. perhaps more impressive than frankfurts future. definetley more imperessive than milan
but if it looks beautifull, too is a subjective question. i think not really.
instead of beautifull you can say "interesting"
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Old June 29th, 2009, 02:52 PM   #1171
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This is simply a lie. At least most Germans here respect Rotterdam, London and PAris and also gave votes to Warsaw. It is more the Spaniards who bitch around here making CTBA as their steady contribution to this thread and even bashing others.
And even with a growth of -4 to -5% there were old towers brought up again like Bahn Tower which rose from 80m to 210m, the PWC Tower which was supposed to have 185m and is at 204m currently. Marieninsel (230m), long time out of discussion, is now back and new designs are being put on track again:

Not to forget several other towers which turned out taller than expected and projects being extended and / or built earlier than expected. Don't forget that LOCAL economy is not overall economy and several parts of Germany do not suffer so much from the recession, some firms do even benefit from it!
And building in a recession is cheaper than in times of economic booms. Public institutions do invest heavily into infra-structure and contruction.
But this is not the first time you attack Germany trying to childishly provoke any anti-German ressentments and hoping to see German anti-Paris or whatever comments. Most of us like Paris' and London's skyline. You are just a little kid wining because it doesn't get enough attention!
Sincerely, and without any encouragement from being anti-German (which I am not), sometimes I feel (maybe I'm wrong) that all Germans who write in this thread, to disregard some areas, especially southern of Europe. And contrary to what you say, the economic situation does affect the construction (which we tell ourselves), because private investors are required to build according to buildings. And if not, we can see how many projects have been canceled (for example, the Chicago Spire). Here in Spain, are now to us several skyscrapers in Bilbao, 170m; in Seville, the Torre Cajasol, 180m. ;In Benidorm, 200m. and 145m. ;in Madrid, 105 and 125m. In Barcelona, 140m ... But many projects have been delayed due to the crisis: in Valencia, the Torres de Calatrava (310, 260 and 220m.) and the PAI Grau (2 buildings of 200m, and another 5 between 100 and 150m) ... Ah! Incidentally, I am an economist, so, lessons, just.

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Old June 29th, 2009, 03:25 PM   #1172
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very good. it seems the crisis has little effect on the skyscraper construction in the city.
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Old June 29th, 2009, 03:37 PM   #1173
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Didac: So, your point being?



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Old June 29th, 2009, 03:41 PM   #1174
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Italians seem pretty conservative regarding tall buildings.
Which is a good thing. At least for other cities than Milan.
Old European cities don't need skyscrapers. Only current skyscraper centers such as Paris, Frankfurt, Rotterdam, London or Warsaw should be extended. I'm serious.
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Old June 29th, 2009, 04:11 PM   #1175
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sometimes I feel (maybe I'm wrong) that all Germans who write in this thread, to disregard some areas, especially southern of Europe.
Yes, you are definitely wrong! I never did that. To generalize everything is a bad idea, by the way.
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Old June 29th, 2009, 04:17 PM   #1176
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I don't think Milan will have the best skyline by 2015 but one of the best for sure
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From the last pic I think there are even SIX towers that will exceed Pirelli's height! I like especially the cluster with the curved one on the right side!
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Old June 29th, 2009, 04:47 PM   #1178
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One question.
Why Liverpool and Birmingham are in this poll?

They can have an "OK" skyline but honestly in the EU there are better ones.

Barcelona, Naples, maybe even the Milan's current one and some other ones for me are better.
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Old June 29th, 2009, 05:39 PM   #1179
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Which is a good thing. At least for other cities than Milan.
Old European cities don't need skyscrapers. Only current skyscraper centers such as Paris, Frankfurt, Rotterdam, London or Warsaw should be extended. I'm serious.
Depends on the circumnstances. In smaller historical cities there isn't probably much demand for skyscrapers. But anyway, I think there's nothing wrong in building highrises in these cities, as long as it isn't near to the historical core and not built massively.
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Old June 29th, 2009, 06:13 PM   #1180
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I don't think Milan will have the best skyline by 2015 but one of the best for sure
okay. of course milan skyline will be 2015 better than today. but I think its useless to say in the future it will be better than that one, and that one, and that one. It was already said, that other cities have their projects, too. And even 2015 Milan will not in a serious competicion with europes top players, today. And by the way, very often the final result of a project looks not so good, like on the renders. In 2015 there will be a new thread and then we will see, if milan is one of the best, or a candidate for the second-skyline thread. Time does not stand still and the future will show us
Perhaps we schould start a thread, "proposed skylines in Europe 2015"...
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