Global Los Angeles

[CITYofDREAMS]

Are these stats city proper only?

[Westsidelife]

^ For US cities, the MSA metric is used.

[milquetoast]

Originally Posted by koolkid

Add in their children and the numbers may very well double, hence, my earlier comment..

Kid, you know you're not supposed to do that

3 goes into '100' 33 times, so there are about 13.5 to 14 million in L. A.'s Metropolitan Statistical Area, judging from the amount of Persians I know there to be.

That means that there are almost 1 million Salvadorans in L. A.?

That 26 percent of others for Los Angeles are comprised of everyone else that we couldn't be bothered to count, like Eastern and South East Asian peoples, African peoples, European peoples, allll South American peoples, Eskimo peoples, Aussie and Kiwi peoples, Native American peoples, Pac Islander peoples, uhhhhh, back at City Data without even leaving

[klamedia]

Originally Posted by koolkid

As for my previous comment, theres a good chunk of foreigners from Mexico, Guatemala and El Salvador that reside in LA according to the graph. Together they make up more than half of the foreign population, which all together represents 34% of LA. Add in their children and the numbers may very well double, hence, my earlier comment..

My intended pun was regarding your "mestizo" comment which many people hailing from these countries do not refer to themselves as, are clearly not and at best feel that people who refer to them as that term are either ignorant or insensitive. I would advise you when visiting our grand city(a city with the greatest disparity between rich and poor in the "developed" world), to shy away from the terms when referring to a "latino" such as "Yo, what's up mestizo?". Or the well meaning, "Excuse me mestizo could you show me the way to East LA?" Or if you find yourself in the fortunate and coveted position please refrain from saying "Fuck me harder, mestizo!", it may not go over so well.

Originally Posted by koolkid

BTW, I knew Mexicans were plentiful in LA but, DAMN, they're nearly half the foriegn born population there; a very mestizo city.....

[Westsidelife]

^ LOL, for once I can agree with you. Although, I don't find the term "mestizo" to be particularly offensive in an exclusive context.

[salaverryo]

Originally Posted by klamedia

My intended pun was regarding your "mestizo" comment which many people hailing from these countries do not refer to themselves as, are clearly not and at best feel that people who refer to them as that term are either ignorant or insensitive. I would advise you when visiting our grand city(a city with the greatest disparity between rich and poor in the "developed" world), to shy away from the terms when referring to a "latino" such as "Yo, what's up mestizo?". Or the well meaning, "Excuse me mestizo could you show me the way to East LA?" Or if you find yourself in the fortunate and coveted position please refrain from saying "Fuck me harder, mestizo!", it may not go over so well.

I don't see why you're being so touchy about it. He never addressed any latino as mestizo, he simply said that LA is a very mestizo city, which happens to be true. He was stating a fact, not criticizing. If I say that Billings, Montana (for instance) is a very white city, that doesn't mean that I'm going to address every white inhabitant that I come across as "Hey, whitey".

[Westsidelife]

LA is #6 on the list of the world's top fashion capitals...

http://www.languagemonitor.com/news/...ashion-capital

[klamedia]

Originally Posted by salaverryo

I don't see why you're being so touchy about it. He never addressed any latino as mestizo, he simply said that LA is a very mestizo city, which happens to be true. He was stating a fact, not criticizing. If I say that Billings, Montana (for instance) is a very white city, that doesn't mean that I'm going to address every white inhabitant that I come across as "Hey, whitey".

How would he or you know who is mestizo and who is not? Why couldn't they be cholo, castizo or mulatto? All very antiquated and Eurocentric demeaning terms. Some folks whose ancestry is pure nativo still consider themselves mestizo for social status, this is a throwback to colonial times when mass number of "indians" were forced into Catholicism and given the names of the residing cura or priest. This happened much more and affected many more native persons than the fairytale-like stories of John Smith and Pocohantas. Names like Garcia, Gonzales and Diaz most likely did not come out of some love story, more commonly native persons took the last names of their priest just to be able to survive in this new colonial world that they found themselves in. You can go around believing in a benevolent oppressor all you want but sorry, I aint believin' the hype. I refuse to support the continued social/racial caste system that was started during colonial times solely for European dominancy and that still reverberates today.

[pesto]

This thread got started with high-hopes and a bit of boosterism and then seems to have crashed over the "mestizo" issue.

There must be something more out there about LA's plusses and minuses in a Global context. It is always interesting to see that we are not just movies but a real manufacturing, shipment, design, aerospace, cultural and intellectual center. Has anyone seen anything positive in this regard lately? We could all use something to brag about, but even ideas for getting better would be nice.

Personally, when I come to town I love the art galleries; I think the Norton Simon ranks right at the top with the Frick in NY for overall quality and breadth of coverage in a medium sized museum and the Huntington is one of the best one earth. And the theater just blows away everyone except NY in terms of diversity, creativity and every other category (the Toronto scene is largely big productions in big houses which do very well due to the endless winters; this is not to criticize the Toronto scene, which is not bad in its own right, but it's just not LA or NY).

And maybe DT's rep will be improve if its image is more like (500) Days of Summer and less like Blade Runner or the shootout from Heat. Even though big cities do have to have an air of toughness about them.

[Booyashako]

Originally Posted by pesto

City Rankings:

...
Toronto, Paris, Tokyo the top 3 in quality of life? I assume SF, Honolulu and SD weren't in the competition. Why is Paris ahead of Amsterdam or Berlin (or 20 others)? Great for tourists; tough for living in.
...

Just curious, what is it about Toronto's high rank for quality of life that you find questionable?

[klamedia]

What does a high ranking in quality of life mean anyway? How does one rank that w/o it being totally subjective?

[croyboy]

perhaps it's just the city rankings itself is a subjective or biased poll.

[pesto]

Quality of life is sort of like intelligence; you can't defne it and even if you could, you can't literally measure it, only try to find rough external analogs or indicia for it.

And there is no doubt that virtually all of these polls are extremely subjective and at best general indicators. Some areas can be less subjective (manufacturing, tourism, shipping, finance) so I don't think all polls are a waste of time, but I will agree that quality of life is pretty much a matter of opinion and is better used for entertainment or enhancing self-awareness than for cross-city debates.

I like Toronto; no particular complaints about the place. I guess I should reverse the statement and ask how you would justify Toronto as better than ANYWHERE on earth? Would people in Vancouver agree? Or Quebec? I can answer that, but I think you can too. It would seem that the weather is a limiting factor. And the former Torontans you find in Hawaii, LA, Palm Springs, SF, etc., seem to be glad to be gone to warmer climates. But this is very subjective.

Assuming you rank Toronto number 1, do you rank Paris and Tokyo, 2nd and 3rd? My point was that I couldn't see what made those places better than SF, Honolulu, Madrid, Copenhagen, etc., etc. (I am leaving LA out on the theory that we are prejudiced).

[pesto]

LA Colleges: Based on the US News survey of colleges that just came out, the LA area has more colleges in the top 50 universities and top 50 liberal arts colleges than any other city. The LA ones include:

Universities: Caltech. UCLA, USC, Irvine
Liberal Arts Colleges: Pomona, Claremont McKenna, Harvey Mudd, Scripps, Occidental, Pitzer

By my quick count, Boston is 2nd: (Harvard, MIT, BC, Tufts, Brandeis; Wellesley) and NY is 3rd (Columbia, NYU, Yeshiva, Barnard)

Based on numbers of students, LA dominates by far due to the size of UCLA, SC and Irvine.

I excluded UCSD and UCSB from the LA schools although they are certainly Southern California. You could add some liberal arts colleges in Mass., but they aren’t really in the Boston area. Ditto for Vassar and Bard in NY.

I don’t really want to defend the US News methodology but it’s probably reasonably accurate. It’s even harder to make international comparisons, but not many non-US cities can match the number of quality schools that LA has. London does liberal arts training for lots of rich Asians and Africans, but the real quality schools are Cambridge and Oxford. Paris is strong. Tokyo?

I didn’t include purely art (film, music, design, etc.) related colleges, where LA and NY are probably the dominant US players.

[Kenny]

In an on-flight magazine this past Saturday on my way back home, there was an article about our city, and it started like so...

"The nineteenth century was all about Paris, and the twentieth was the heyday of New York. Now it's the turn of Los Angeles, lord and master of the new millenium."

Couldn't have said it any better.

The article titled "Los Angeles: Seven deadly sins" talked about what the city has become in a shorter time than Paris, New York did. It took them almost a century.

L.A. has become the mecca for everything. A trendsetting mega-complicated city in a trensetting State. Unlike any other city in the world.

[Westsidelife]

Originally Posted by pesto

...

By my quick count, Boston is 2nd: (Harvard, MIT, BC, Tufts, Brandeis; Wellesley) and NY is 3rd (Columbia, NYU, Yeshiva, Barnard)

Boston

1) Harvard University
2) Massachusetts Institute of Technology
3) Brown University
4) Tufts University
5) Brandeis University
6) Boston College
7) Wellesley University
8) College of the Holy Cross

New York City

1) Princeton University
2) Yale University
3) Columbia University
4) New York University
5) Vassar College
6) United States Military Academy
7) Barnard College
8) Bard College

[dweebo2220]

Originally Posted by Kenni

In an on-flight magazine this past Saturday on my way back home, there was an article about our city, and it started like so...

"The nineteenth century was all about Paris, and the twentieth was the heyday of New York. Now it's the turn of Los Angeles, lord and master of the new millenium."

Couldn't have said it any better.

The article titled "Los Angeles: Seven deadly sins" talked about what the city has become in a shorter time than Paris, New York did. It took them almost a century.

L.A. has become the mecca for everything. A trendsetting mega-complicated city in a trensetting State. Unlike any other city in the world.

what airline were you on?

[pesto]

These things are always a little gray at the edges.

Yale and Princeton in NYC? The local residents would be shocked to hear that. Ditto for West Point and Vassar; these are rural communities not associated with NYC proper.

Brown is in Providence; if it counts, then UCSD and UCSB are in LA (and UC Davis is in SF, etc.)
Holy Cross I will give you.

And vat happened to Yeshiva, boychik? It's a good school, nu?

If I have time I'll look into art and design schools.

[milquetoast]

All that is sooo City-Data...

[Kenny]

Originally Posted by dweebo2220

what airline were you on?

Because they need passengers, their fare was extremely low. (swine flu)

Mexicana de Aviacion

It was my first time on it. The layover in Mexico City en route to El Salvador is toooo long. Never again!