Boris Johnson: New London Airport Proposal - Page 27

Tallsmurf · November 20th, 2011, 09:53 AM

While I recognise that Boris Island (replace with your desired name here) has many disadvantages, it is the only way that London is going to be able to replace Heathrow with a true world class airport. And it should be able to do this without any direct government investment - just offer it as an investment opportunity to the likes of Qatar and Abu Dhabi - set out a minimal functional specification (say 60million pax rising to 100 million) and let them prepare a business case - say a BOOT scheme with a 25 year repayment. The UK goovernment will have to provide certain infrastrucure including improved rail and road links, but otherwsie it should be self funding.

Meanwhile LHR should become a redelopment zone - its land value inside the M25 with exisiting transport links must be massive - so prepare a master plan including businees, commercial and residential and auction off the site as aseries of packages - again the sovereign wealth funds of Qatar and Abu Dhabi should be very interested and maybe BAA can be compensated by swapping land at Heathrow for equity stake in new airport??

This whole issue needs some blue-sky thinking but could lead to massive regeneration and investment

LDN_EUROPE · November 20th, 2011, 10:18 AM

This scheme looks great. I support it 100%. I wonder what the chances are. It seems so logical but politics is rarely so proactive...

poshbakerloo · November 21st, 2011, 04:55 AM

My main issue with this is that there are still plans in place for Heathrow. What are they going to do with Heathrow? Aren't a lot of these plans going to continue to 2030? Or some date like that. Which means that it will all just be wasted if this new airport is built! Why not stop Heathrow expansion now, and build this new airport now. Even then Terminal 5 will be wasted as its only been open a few years! So much money down the drain!

Tallsmurf · November 21st, 2011, 07:19 AM

Even if Boris Island is given go ahead tommorrow it will take at least 5 years to become operational, in which time LHR will need to stay in operation.

Even after LHR closes, it should be possible to still use the T5 building as with a bit of thought it could be refitted as say a shopping Mall!

Tallsmurf · November 21st, 2011, 07:22 AM

Thinking about it, if there are any budding Town Planning or Architecture students out there who are looking for a final year project, how about preparing a master plan for the redevelopment of Heathrow non-airport.

RBRJ · November 21st, 2011, 09:54 AM

I think that any redevelopment plans for HR in the event of closure, should include a University dedicated to engineering and science much as there is a University of the Arts. This would would provide an anchor and utilise existing skills.

flare · November 21st, 2011, 11:19 AM

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Medway Council say mixing the Liquefied Natural Gas import facility on the Isle of Grain, pictured, with a new airport would be a recipe for disaster

I know it's not LNG, but surely aiports with their large amounts of fuel storage etc know how to mitigate against disaster...?

Acemcbuller · November 21st, 2011, 02:56 PM

If it were redeveloped wouldn't it be smart to keep a residual airport at Heathrow, even if it were just for private/charter flights to the new business district you'd have created.

Harry · November 21st, 2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Acemcbuller

If it were redeveloped wouldn't it be smart to keep a residual airport at Heathrow, even if it were just for private/charter flights to the new business district you'd have created.

I would say Farnborough Airport, just 25 minutes up the road from Heathrow, has that sewn up already.

Glom · November 21st, 2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tallsmurf

Even if Boris Island is given go ahead tommorrow it will take at least 5 years to become operational, in which time LHR will need to stay in operation.

Even after LHR closes, it should be possible to still use the T5 building as with a bit of thought it could be refitted as say a shopping Mall!

Even that is wildly optimistic given the scale of earth work required.

Heathrow isn't expanding, but a lot of investment is going on to improve it, most notably the new Terminal 2.

streetquark · November 21st, 2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WtS

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gers-year.html

They seem to be implying the Thames Hub proposal is Boris Johnson's.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RBRJ

I think that any redevelopment plans for HR in the event of closure, should include a University dedicated to engineering and science much as there is a University of the Arts. This would would provide an anchor and utilise existing skills.

Shame there are so few UK companies to tie it in with apprenticeships and keep those jobs in the UK.

mayflower232 · November 21st, 2011, 11:54 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15826464

BBC VIDEO ON THE HUB

lancelot000 · November 22nd, 2011, 12:49 AM

I like the idea, but i would rather Richard Rogers/Foster move over and allow some new talent in.

Stansted and T5 are nice and everything, but i would hope something new and different would happen here, not just another oversized greenhouse type building.

potto · November 22nd, 2011, 04:40 PM

I dont know its been the ideal of transport hubs for ... 150 years

poshbakerloo · November 22nd, 2011, 05:46 PM

I think that the main transport routes to the airport from other parts of the country outside London e.g. road and rail should bypass London. Getting to Heathrow from Birmingham for example meant changing trains in London or sharing the M25 with the rest of London commuters. The orbital HS rail I think would be important and atleast an outer ring for the north and east sides of the M25, otherwise getting to this new airport would be a nightmare!

LNGCats · November 27th, 2011, 07:10 PM

Opinion poll shows 2:1 support for HS2...

http://www7.politicalbetting.com/ind...-hs2-decision/

But opposition to SimCity airport.

arvpart · November 28th, 2011, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RBRJ

I think that any redevelopment plans for HR in the event of closure, should include a University dedicated to engineering and science much as there is a University of the Arts. This would would provide an anchor and utilise existing skills.

Isn't Brunel in Uxbridge a largely science and engineering university? This is in addition to already having one of the world's best science and engineering universities in South Ken: Imperial College.

I suspect in the unlikely event of Heathrow closing, much of the land will be bought for housing/retail developments.

mayflower232 · November 29th, 2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BBC

All options for more aviation capacity, except a third runway at Heathrow, will be considered. Guess that includes Boris Island - a new airport in the Thames Estuary.

Make of it what you will...

WtS · November 29th, 2011, 09:47 PM

Obourne mentioned it in todays speech. So I take it the earliest this thing can start being built is 2020? Ready by 2027-2030? It has to happen either way there is no escaping it.

Tallsmurf · November 30th, 2011, 08:09 AM

If they will rule out considering a third runway at LHR then there is only one viable alternative - Boris Island (which is neither an island or Boris's).

All other solutions are merely sticking plasters which will try to keep planes moving while the whole system grinds to a halt.

November 20th, 2011, 10:18 AM	#522
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November 21st, 2011, 04:55 AM	#523
poshbakerloo *Alexxx* Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London, Manchester, Sheffield, Moscow Posts: 4,649 Likes (Received): 20	My main issue with this is that there are still plans in place for Heathrow. What are they going to do with Heathrow? Aren't a lot of these plans going to continue to 2030? Or some date like that. Which means that it will all just be wasted if this new airport is built! Why not stop Heathrow expansion now, and build this new airport now. Even then Terminal 5 will be wasted as its only been open a few years! *So much money down the drain!* __________________ "BEFORE WE MARRY...I HAVE A SECRET!" I <3 London

November 22nd, 2011, 05:46 PM	#535
poshbakerloo *Alexxx* Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London, Manchester, Sheffield, Moscow Posts: 4,649 Likes (Received): 20	I think that the main transport routes to the airport from other parts of the country outside London e.g. road and rail should bypass London. Getting to Heathrow from Birmingham for example meant changing trains in London or sharing the M25 with the rest of London commuters. The orbital HS rail I think would be important and atleast an outer ring for the north and east sides of the M25, otherwise getting to this new airport would be a nightmare! __________________ "BEFORE WE MARRY...I HAVE A SECRET!" I <3 London

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November 20th, 2011, 09:53 AM	#521
Tallsmurf Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 380 Likes (Received): 1	While I recognise that Boris Island (replace with your desired name here) has many disadvantages, it is the only way that London is going to be able to replace Heathrow with a true world class airport. And it should be able to do this without any direct government investment - just offer it as an investment opportunity to the likes of Qatar and Abu Dhabi - set out a minimal functional specification (say 60million pax rising to 100 million) and let them prepare a business case - say a BOOT scheme with a 25 year repayment. The UK goovernment will have to provide certain infrastrucure including improved rail and road links, but otherwsie it should be self funding. Meanwhile LHR should become a redelopment zone - its land value inside the M25 with exisiting transport links must be massive - so prepare a master plan including businees, commercial and residential and auction off the site as aseries of packages - again the sovereign wealth funds of Qatar and Abu Dhabi should be very interested and maybe BAA can be compensated by swapping land at Heathrow for equity stake in new airport?? This whole issue needs some blue-sky thinking but could lead to massive regeneration and investment

November 21st, 2011, 07:19 AM	#524
Tallsmurf Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 380 Likes (Received): 1	Even if Boris Island is given go ahead tommorrow it will take at least 5 years to become operational, in which time LHR will need to stay in operation. Even after LHR closes, it should be possible to still use the T5 building as with a bit of thought it could be refitted as say a shopping Mall!

November 21st, 2011, 07:22 AM	#525
Tallsmurf Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 380 Likes (Received): 1	Thinking about it, if there are any budding Town Planning or Architecture students out there who are looking for a final year project, how about preparing a master plan for the redevelopment of Heathrow non-airport.

November 21st, 2011, 09:54 AM	#526
RBRJ Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 553 Likes (Received): 0	I think that any redevelopment plans for HR in the event of closure, should include a University dedicated to engineering and science much as there is a University of the Arts. This would would provide an anchor and utilise existing skills.

November 21st, 2011, 02:56 PM	#528
Acemcbuller Lifelong Londoner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: London Posts: 210 Likes (Received): 0	If it were redeveloped wouldn't it be smart to keep a residual airport at Heathrow, even if it were just for private/charter flights to the new business district you'd have created.

November 21st, 2011, 11:54 PM	#532
mayflower232 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 245 Likes (Received): 1	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15826464 BBC VIDEO ON THE HUB

November 22nd, 2011, 12:49 AM	#533
lancelot000 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 95 Likes (Received): 0	I like the idea, but i would rather Richard Rogers/Foster move over and allow some new talent in. Stansted and T5 are nice and everything, but i would hope something new and different would happen here, not just another oversized greenhouse type building.

November 22nd, 2011, 04:40 PM	#534
potto Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 13,496 Likes (Received): 250	I dont know its been the ideal of transport hubs for ... 150 years

November 27th, 2011, 07:10 PM	#536
LNGCats Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 11,084 Likes (Received): 123	Opinion poll shows 2:1 support for HS2... http://www7.politicalbetting.com/ind...-hs2-decision/ But opposition to SimCity airport.

November 29th, 2011, 09:47 PM	#539
WtS Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 122 Likes (Received): 4	Obourne mentioned it in todays speech. So I take it the earliest this thing can start being built is 2020? Ready by 2027-2030? It has to happen either way there is no escaping it.

November 30th, 2011, 08:09 AM	#540
Tallsmurf Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 380 Likes (Received): 1	If they will rule out considering a third runway at LHR then there is only one viable alternative - Boris Island (which is neither an island or Boris's). All other solutions are merely sticking plasters which will try to keep planes moving while the whole system grinds to a halt.