Boris Johnson: New London Airport Proposal - Page 34

poshbakerloo · January 31st, 2012, 04:14 AM

Stansted has the most space around it, particularly to the south. And is also an established airport. Expand Stansted! Save the money and you get a big airport that is also better located!

CharlieP · January 31st, 2012, 01:29 PM

...and build HS3 as a line connecting Nottingham, Stansted and London/HS1.

london-b · February 1st, 2012, 12:51 AM

With a spur to Norwich.

RBRJ · February 1st, 2012, 10:36 AM

http://www.thisistotalessex.co.uk/po...ail/story.html

An interesting item on updating the Foulness/Maplin Sands airport plan of the past.

DarJoLe · March 1st, 2012, 09:09 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...is-Island.html

Oh dear.

Salif · March 1st, 2012, 09:15 PM

“They don’t have the right road and rail infrastructure for what would be London’s sixth airport.”

Is Michael O’Leary a bit thick and not noticed all those roads and railway lines which seem to get included with every press story of this possible new airport? Or has he hit upon a legitimate point and have the ground transport links not been fully thought out?

poshbakerloo · March 2nd, 2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Salif

“They don’t have the right road and rail infrastructure for what would be London’s sixth airport.”

Is Michael O’Leary a bit thick and not noticed all those roads and railway lines which seem to get included with every press story of this possible new airport? Or has he hit upon a legitimate point and have the ground transport links not been fully thought out?

I think he things, like a lot of people that the whole thing is just generally a waste of money as Heathrow is still getting all the investment and has investment plans all the way until 2030...

At least build a 3rd runway at Heathrow or as a better option expand Stansted!

Jim856796 · March 24th, 2012, 02:56 AM

Even if Terminal 5 and Heathrow East are fully built out and Stansted gets any sort of expansion, will the new Thames Estuary Airport still be needed after then?

Irish Blood English Heart · March 24th, 2012, 10:44 AM

You could add 1 more runway to Gatwick fairly easily and take that upto 60,000,000 but doesn't look the space for any more after that. There's enough space at Stansted to built an airport the size of Boris Island (4 runways, 100,000,000 passengers), and for a hell of a lot cheaper financially (if not politically) so no need for a Thames Airport then.

TedStriker · March 24th, 2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Irish Blood English Heart

There's enough space at Stansted to built an airport the size of Boris Island (4 runways, 100,000,000 passengers), and for a hell of a lot cheaper financially (if not politically) so no need for a Thames Airport then.

The distance from Stansted to London is too great for it ever to take over Heathrows role as 'the' main London hub airport, even if it were to have a high-speed rail link with the capital.

TedStriker · March 24th, 2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Salif

“They don’t have the right road and rail infrastructure for what would be London’s sixth airport.”

Is Michael O’Leary a bit thick and not noticed all those roads and railway lines which seem to get included with every press story of this possible new airport? Or has he hit upon a legitimate point and have the ground transport links not been fully thought out?

He's not thick, he's just always trying to steer everyone's attention towards 'his' airport, Stansted.

O'Leary knows perfectly well that if a new airport were to be put in place in the Thames estuary, relevant rail and road links would be put in place.

TedStriker · March 24th, 2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DarJoLe

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...is-Island.html

Oh dear.

Yeah, it's a shame as I would really like to see Lord Roger's idea come to fruition.

How about the idea of building a new hub airport near to Didcot...

sotonsi · March 24th, 2012, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TedStriker

The distance from Stansted to London is too great for it ever to take over Heathrows role as 'the' main London hub airport, even if it were to have a high-speed rail link with the capital.

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Originally Posted by TedStriker

Yeah, it's a shame as I would really like to see Lord Roger's idea come to fruition.

How about the idea of building a new hub airport near to Didcot...

Lord Roger's airport site is about 10% further away from London as Stansted.
Didcot is nearly twice as from from London as Stansted.

Just by triple-posting, doesn't mean you can be inconsistent in your points.

TedStriker · March 24th, 2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sotonsi

Lord Roger's airport site is about 10% further away from London as Stansted.
Didcot is nearly twice as from from London as Stansted.

Just by triple-posting, doesn't mean you can be inconsistent in your points.

Good point.

The truth is, I hate Stansted, both the existing airport and the location. To me is will always be the place where ugly, overweight, tattoo-adorning Brits enter and exit the country after having been on 'cultural excusions' - as in drink binges - down to southern Spain, and it will always be, for me, the place where O'Leary's nasty airline has a UK base.

In contrast, I love the idea of a replacement for Heathrow being a totally new airport, which is why I'm quite a fan of the Didcot idea which has been floating around for a while, as a substitute for the Thames estuary proposal.

B890bT · March 24th, 2012, 09:21 PM

why replace Heathrow when all this money has been poured into it for 1st rate terminals and infrastructure, I heard that the government were proposing to sell RAF Northolt as a satellite to Heathrow, the basics for an airport are already provided and the government makes a decent amount of money from it

TedStriker · March 24th, 2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by poshbakerloo

Stansted has the most space around it, particularly to the south. And is also an established airport. Expand Stansted! Save the money and you get a big airport that is also better located!

But isn't the countryside around Stansted pretty lovely? It doesn't look to me as though it would be easy to turn the airport into a four-runway, 24-hour operation without destroying a massive amount of beauty and upsetting a lot of village-living people.

The Isle of Grain on the other hand seems perfect for a new airport - if it wasn't for those pesky birds...

TedStriker · March 24th, 2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by B890bT

why replace Heathrow when all this money has been poured into it for 1st rate terminals and infrastructure, I heard that the government were proposing to sell RAF Northolt as a satellite to Heathrow, the basics for an airport are already provided and the government makes a decent amount of money from it

I'm sure Terminal 5 and the other 'new' terminals at Heathrow will make fine office developments, retail malls, and so on, and as for the rail and road links serving the location, they would only go to help ensure Heathrow becomes the next great redevelpment success on the West side of London after Old Oak Common.

Northolt in the meantime is an even worse location than Heathrow for a major airport, being closer to more residential areas. Even if it were to become an airport for commercial flights, it's not as if it can expand in any direction.

Glom · March 24th, 2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TedStriker

I'm sure Terminal 5 and the other 'new' terminals at Heathrow will make fine office developments, retail malls, and so on, and as for the rail and road links serving the location, they would only go to help ensure Heathrow becomes the next great redevelpment success on the West side of London after Old Oak Common.

Northolt in the meantime is an even worse location than Heathrow for a major airport, being closer to more residential areas. Even if it were to become an airport for commercial flights, it's not as if it can expand in any direction.

Northolt as a full time airport would bea disaster. Bear in mind this is in the area of the Ruislip NIMBYs who are spitting tacks over a couple of tracks being added to an existing railway line.

But worse. The current undershoot is the West End Lane which is the route from Polish War Memorial. Traffic has to stop for landing aircraft. If Northolt became a proper airport, the road would effectively be closed as a route connecting to the A40.

TedStriker · March 24th, 2012, 10:49 PM

[QUOTE=Glom;89778122]Northolt as a full time airport would bea disaster. Bear in mind this is in the area of the Ruislip NIMBYs who are spitting tacks over a couple of tracks being added to an existing railway line.

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Glom, you do realise that I'm also saying Northolt would be a disaster. One only has to take a quick peek at an aerial photo of the area to see that it's comedy that any kind of airport exists there at all.

LNGCats · March 25th, 2012, 02:22 AM

Few papers saying R3 u-turn coming tomorrow.

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poshbakerloo *Alexxx* Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London, Manchester, Sheffield, Moscow Posts: 4,651 Likes (Received): 20	Stansted has the most space around it, particularly to the south. And is also an established airport. Expand Stansted! Save the money and you get a big airport that is also better located! __________________ "BEFORE WE MARRY...I HAVE A SECRET!" I <3 London

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CharlieP Prepare to die. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wakefield, Little Satan Posts: 21,065 Likes (Received): 217	...and build HS3 as a line connecting Nottingham, Stansted and London/HS1. __________________ This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

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Jim856796 The Q&A Guy Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Citizen of the World Posts: 6,743 Likes (Received): 7	Even if Terminal 5 and Heathrow East are fully built out and Stansted gets any sort of expansion, will the new Thames Estuary Airport still be needed after then? __________________ I honestly think all development projects must be dashing, sustainable, and futureproof. You support the good projects... and oppose the bad.

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london-b βAŇŇĘÐ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ma chambre Posts: 7,538 Likes (Received): 152	With a spur to Norwich.

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RBRJ Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 553 Likes (Received): 0	http://www.thisistotalessex.co.uk/po...ail/story.html An interesting item on updating the Foulness/Maplin Sands airport plan of the past.

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DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,667 Likes (Received): 394	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...is-Island.html Oh dear.

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Salif I am very f**king nice! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Northumbria Posts: 4,871 Likes (Received): 4	“They don’t have the right road and rail infrastructure for what would be London’s sixth airport.” Is Michael O’Leary a bit thick and not noticed all those roads and railway lines which seem to get included with every press story of this possible new airport? Or has he hit upon a legitimate point and have the ground transport links not been fully thought out?

March 24th, 2012, 10:44 AM	#669
Irish Blood English Heart Letting off the happiness Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,286 Likes (Received): 34	You could add 1 more runway to Gatwick fairly easily and take that upto 60,000,000 but doesn't look the space for any more after that. There's enough space at Stansted to built an airport the size of Boris Island (4 runways, 100,000,000 passengers), and for a hell of a lot cheaper financially (if not politically) so no need for a Thames Airport then.

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B890bT Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Brighton Posts: 122 Likes (Received): 0	why replace Heathrow when all this money has been poured into it for 1st rate terminals and infrastructure, I heard that the government were proposing to sell RAF Northolt as a satellite to Heathrow, the basics for an airport are already provided and the government makes a decent amount of money from it

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TedStriker Over Macho Grande Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,310 Likes (Received): 9	[QUOTE=Glom;89778122]Northolt as a full time airport would bea disaster. Bear in mind this is in the area of the Ruislip NIMBYs who are spitting tacks over a couple of tracks being added to an existing railway line. QUOTE] Glom, you do realise that I'm also saying Northolt would be a disaster. One only has to take a quick peek at an aerial photo of the area to see that it's comedy that any kind of airport exists there at all.