Boris Johnson: New London Airport Proposal - Page 36

nerd · July 12th, 2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Glom

Could always give BAA the new airport. After forcing them to sell half their other airports, it's only fair. I know BAA gets a bum rap, much of it fair, but they did get given a not especially auspicious start and they have been doing some great things lately. I certainly think they deserve better than to face expropriation.

I wonder if they do close Heathrow, if one runway can remain as a local airport, sort of a City for the West, especially if a new business centre is built on the site.

BAA think that so long as they sit pretty in Heathrow, eventually they will get their third runway approved, simply due to prolonged dither over any other site. So they see no reason to go into a consortium that will build an airport that - from every commercial viewpoint - is on a far inferior location.

nerd · July 12th, 2012, 01:10 PM

.. double post

Vulcan's Finest · July 12th, 2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by potto

they would probably make more money with that land used as something else.

The land would be worth a number of £billions, but not I think as much as some people assume. A better bet might be to keep Heathrow open with fewer flights and transfer the civil and military air movements from Northolt. That land could then be sold for redevelopment.

Can't see Heathrow ever being closed TBH, it is close to the City centre and will always have excellent transport links.

Glom · July 12th, 2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan's Finest

The land would be worth a number of £billions, but not I think as much as some people assume. A better bet might be to keep Heathrow open with fewer flights and transfer the civil and military air movements from Northolt. That land could then be sold for redevelopment.

Can't see Heathrow ever being closed TBH, it is close to the City centre and will always have excellent transport links.

It's about to get further away when they have to tear down the M4.

pagey17 · July 12th, 2012, 07:21 PM

A 3rd runway is a neccesity now, you would have to build a huge road through London to faccilitate this fanciful and costly scheme.

Rational Plan · July 12th, 2012, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by delores

not sure this is the right solution, Norman foster says Heathrow should close. http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/foste...039462.article

Yes well he has a £60 billion airport project he wants to earn commision form

WtS · August 28th, 2012, 08:35 PM

Don't be a man or a mouse Dave.....be a LION and help great light this MOTHER!

poshbakerloo · August 28th, 2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Glom

It's about to get further away when they have to tear down the M4.

I don't see that happening, it will end up being replaced with something either the same or similar, or maybe underground etc

CharlieP · August 28th, 2012, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by WtS

Don't be a man or a mouse Dave.....be a LION and help great light this MOTHER!

And not one of those poxy Essex lions, mind you...

Trances · August 29th, 2012, 10:41 AM

3rd Runway discussion again! AS Much I think its the quickest option all this talk is just slowing everything down. I would rather they do a quick expansion of Stansted or Gatwick and worry about expanding Heathrow or New Airport in the decade it will take to sort that all out!

banana republic · August 29th, 2012, 10:50 AM

Indeed, it's already several years too late and the politicians are clearly going to try and toss this hot potato around for another few years (post 2015 election).

The problem is the time for the quick fix has already long gone, but if the unthinkable happens and rapid action is taken by the politicians now, it'll still take a minimum of 7 or 8 years at best to get a new runway up and running.

A brand new airport will not be delivered for at least another 15 years or more. More realistically at least 20 years. Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted !

Trances · August 29th, 2012, 05:56 PM

I used to live in Sydney and they were talking about a second airport for as long as I recall. There were so many no starters and I can now say with some confidence that a second airport will never be built.

London's need is much more pressing. Cant someone just face up to it and do it or do us a favour and fall on their swords. Sick of hearing these non start options. If only the 3rd runway had gone ahead and then later expansion at Gatwick and Stansted. While non of these would have been the major fix they would have given time for the endless debate that will last for decades and that's not including development time. Given how long this can all take in the UK the sun will have engulfed the earth.

sotonsi · August 29th, 2012, 07:42 PM

You can apply all that Sydney story to a third runway at Heathrow - been talked about for years, never going to happen.

In fact, you talk about a 3rd runway being a stop-gap before expanding other airports and then the time to debate Boris Island may have finally finished. I'd argue that that order is somewhat backwards - Stansted expansion doesn't need much effort, Gatwick a bit more, Boris a lot more and a 3rd runway needs the sun to have engulfed the earth, or the demand stopped as no one would want to/be allowed to visit a London which let a third runway be built.

Odds are something like the following becoming frozen this coming winter:
Stansted = some pond in London
Gatwick = a fountain in Central London
some estuary airport = the Thames at Waterloo Bridge
3rd runway at Heathrow = Hell

LNGCats · August 29th, 2012, 08:10 PM

Hence why MAG are probably looking at buying Stansted.

Trances · August 30th, 2012, 10:26 AM

Gatwick cant expand today every in they wanted!

Oh News article today. Old Story for almost everyone but printed today as news.

Daily Fail today: The doomsday ship that could blow Boris's airport dream sky high: 3,000 ton timebomb shipwrecked in the Thames estuary

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2513dXGSt

Does the Location of the airports and labels seem off to anyone else?

banana republic · August 30th, 2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Trances

...Does the Location of the airports and labels seem off to anyone else?

The IOG is market roughly in the right place, but IIRC Boris Island is to the east of the position marked.
Then again, virtually all typical cartoon like diagrams in the newspapers are rubbish.

WatcherZero · September 2nd, 2012, 07:52 AM

Word is in a couple of weeks time a Chinese backed British Consortium is going to propose a 'near Heathrow but not Heathrow' new four runway airport as an attempt to kill off Boris island.

Eastendbanker · September 2nd, 2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by WatcherZero

Word is in a couple of weeks time a Chinese backed British Consortium is going to propose a 'near Heathrow but not Heathrow' new four runway airport as an attempt to kill off Boris island.

Surely that would have many of the downsides of Heathrow, flight paths over homes being a major one that could prevent it being a 24 hour airport, with additional costs associated with having a new airport including transport spurs, with few benefits over the Heathrow expansion option? There are no next to no locations in the south east near to london where you could build a 4 runway airport without removing hundreds of homes.

WatcherZero · September 2nd, 2012, 11:49 AM

They are currently examining suggested suitably sized plots on the Great Western and HS2 routes, their brief is a four runway airport within 30 minutes travel time of London with no major population centres overflown, once opened Heathrow would be gradually wound down then closed suggesting BAA are possibly involved.

*Nurse* · September 2nd, 2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by WatcherZero

They are currently examining suggested suitably sized plots on the Great Western and HS2 routes, their brief is a four runway airport within 30 minutes travel time of London with no major population centres overflown, once opened Heathrow would be gradually wound down then closed suggesting BAA are possibly involved.

Can't see The Queen/Prince Charles allowing a new airport near Windsor.
Amusing if it has to be where HS2 has been forced to be tunnelled.
Amersham International?

August 29th, 2012, 10:41 AM	#710
Trances , , and , Fade to Black. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Living in London Posts: 7,896 Likes (Received): 4	3rd Runway discussion again! AS Much I think its the quickest option all this talk is just slowing everything down. I would rather they do a quick expansion of Stansted or Gatwick and worry about expanding Heathrow or New Airport in the decade it will take to sort that all out! __________________ "Are we ready to go farther or have we already gone to far?" “He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.”

August 29th, 2012, 10:50 AM	#711
banana republic Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 170 Likes (Received): 0	Indeed, it's already several years too late and the politicians are clearly going to try and toss this hot potato around for another few years (post 2015 election). The problem is the time for the quick fix has already long gone, but if the unthinkable happens and rapid action is taken by the politicians now, it'll still take a minimum of 7 or 8 years at best to get a new runway up and running. A brand new airport will not be delivered for at least another 15 years or more. More realistically at least 20 years. Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted ! Last edited by banana republic; August 30th, 2012 at 11:04 AM.

August 29th, 2012, 05:56 PM	#712
Trances , , and , Fade to Black. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Living in London Posts: 7,896 Likes (Received): 4	I used to live in Sydney and they were talking about a second airport for as long as I recall. There were so many no starters and I can now say with some confidence that a second airport will never be built. London's need is much more pressing. Cant someone just face up to it and do it or do us a favour and fall on their swords. Sick of hearing these non start options. If only the 3rd runway had gone ahead and then later expansion at Gatwick and Stansted. While non of these would have been the major fix they would have given time for the endless debate that will last for decades and that's not including development time. Given how long this can all take in the UK the sun will have engulfed the earth. __________________ "Are we ready to go farther or have we already gone to far?" “He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.”

August 29th, 2012, 08:10 PM	#714
LNGCats Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 11,157 Likes (Received): 126	Hence why MAG are probably looking at buying Stansted. __________________ I really do know fuck all 2+2=4 no matter what your opinion is My favourite colour being red makes me no more or less intelligent than someone who prefers green.

August 30th, 2012, 10:26 AM	#715
Trances , , and , Fade to Black. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Living in London Posts: 7,896 Likes (Received): 4	Gatwick cant expand today every in they wanted! Oh News article today. Old Story for almost everyone but printed today as news. Daily Fail today: The doomsday ship that could blow Boris's airport dream sky high: 3,000 ton timebomb shipwrecked in the Thames estuary Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2513dXGSt Does the Location of the airports and labels seem off to anyone else? __________________ "Are we ready to go farther or have we already gone to far?" “He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.”

July 12th, 2012, 01:10 PM	#702
nerd Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,787 Likes (Received): 16	.. double post

July 12th, 2012, 07:21 PM	#705
pagey17 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Leeds, Yorkshire Posts: 951 Likes (Received): 1	A 3rd runway is a neccesity now, you would have to build a huge road through London to faccilitate this fanciful and costly scheme.

August 28th, 2012, 08:35 PM	#707
WtS Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 122 Likes (Received): 4	Don't be a man or a mouse Dave.....be a LION and help great light this MOTHER!

August 29th, 2012, 07:42 PM	#713
sotonsi Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,241	You can apply all that Sydney story to a third runway at Heathrow - been talked about for years, never going to happen. In fact, you talk about a 3rd runway being a stop-gap before expanding other airports and then the time to debate Boris Island may have finally finished. I'd argue that that order is somewhat backwards - Stansted expansion doesn't need much effort, Gatwick a bit more, Boris a lot more and a 3rd runway needs the sun to have engulfed the earth, or the demand stopped as no one would want to/be allowed to visit a London which let a third runway be built. Odds are something like the following becoming frozen this coming winter: Stansted = some pond in London Gatwick = a fountain in Central London some estuary airport = the Thames at Waterloo Bridge 3rd runway at Heathrow = Hell

September 2nd, 2012, 07:52 AM	#717
WatcherZero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 15,634	Word is in a couple of weeks time a Chinese backed British Consortium is going to propose a 'near Heathrow but not Heathrow' new four runway airport as an attempt to kill off Boris island.

September 2nd, 2012, 11:49 AM	#719
WatcherZero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 15,634	They are currently examining suggested suitably sized plots on the Great Western and HS2 routes, their brief is a four runway airport within 30 minutes travel time of London with no major population centres overflown, once opened Heathrow would be gradually wound down then closed suggesting BAA are possibly involved.

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