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Old September 6th, 2010, 06:58 PM   #101
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Really long planned beltways:
* Центральная кольцевая автомобильная дорога (CKAD) - Moscow: 522 km
such long motorways i don't consider as beltways anymore, they pass too far from the city. in that case we could easily call Italian A21/A26 Brescia - Alessandria - Comignano as Milano's beltway.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 07:01 PM   #102
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The Ken-Ō Expressway is the 4th ring road of Tokyo and will be around 300 kilometers long.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 07:03 PM   #103
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How about this rather useless and incomplete, but very circular ringroad in Bitonto, Italy?
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Old September 6th, 2010, 07:30 PM   #104
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How about this rather useless and incomplete, but very circular ringroad in Bitonto, Italy?
Hehe, "Via Sven Olof Palme", nice touch of socialism
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Old September 6th, 2010, 07:36 PM   #105
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Hehe, "Via Sven Olof Palme", nice touch of socialism
A part of it is also "Via Ernesto Guevara"
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Old September 7th, 2010, 01:39 AM   #106
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unfortunately the M0 isnt finished yet, only the 70% is ready and the western section is doubtful b/c of greenies...



Moscow has 4th and 5th ring:

4th: 330km

5th: 560km
It's 6th and 7th. MKAD is 5th. Small Moscow Ring (335km, A107) is 6th and Large Moscow Ring (560km, A108) is 7th.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...e=UTF8&t=h&z=8

http://maps.google.ru/maps?f=d&sourc...e=UTF8&t=h&z=8
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Old September 7th, 2010, 02:07 AM   #107
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A part of it is also "Via Ernesto Guevara"
I thought South Africa and Namibia were the only non-officially communist countries where roads suddenly started being renamed "Karl Marx", "Joe Slovo", "Fidel Castro" etc in recent years!
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Old September 7th, 2010, 11:17 AM   #108
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Italy had the biggest communist party in a non-communist country, we have streets named after communist people since WW2... not Fidel Castro, though, because in Italy you can only name a road or a building after dead people.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 03:34 PM   #109
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8th ringroad of Moscow: 560km the one of Brussels is only 75km and it takes for ages to go around....
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Those big Moscow ringroads are more like connections of areas around Moscow. If you go from Smolensk to Nizhny Novgorod, you won't use the big rings, but MKAD. I wouldn't use them even if they were motorways.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 06:10 PM   #111
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so there not motorways? Must go extreemly slow then...

The brussels one is a full motorway 3+3 or 4+4 lanes and at one point 2+2. And mainly only the North side is used to go around the city...
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Old September 7th, 2010, 06:35 PM   #112
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Those big Moscow ringroads are more like connections of areas around Moscow. If you go from Smolensk to Nizhny Novgorod, you won't use the big rings, but MKAD. I wouldn't use them even if they were motorways.
Believe me, you'd use. On MKAD you can only drive smoothly during the night.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 07:58 PM   #113
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Ok, you're right, but I probably wouldn't use the longest ring (A-108), but the middle one (A-107).
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Old September 7th, 2010, 08:58 PM   #114
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so there not motorways? Must go extreemly slow then...

The brussels one is a full motorway 3+3 or 4+4 lanes and at one point 2+2. And mainly only the North side is used to go around the city...
1. Boulevard Ring, 9km, mainly 2+2 with boulevards.
2. Garden Ring, 16km. Boulevard and gardens were knocked down in 1950's and it was widened. In different parts from 3+3 to 9+9. Most way it's 5+5. It's an avenue, so 60 kmph as on all streets.
3. 3rd Transport Ring. 36km, including 19km elevated and 5 km of tunnels. 4+4 mainly. City motorway 80kmph. Built in late 1990's - early 2000's
4. 4th Transport Ring. 74km. Incomplete yet. Currently u/c. The most expensive ever motorway in the world.
5. MKAD. 109km. City motorway 110kmph. 5+5. Built in middle 1990's on a place of old highway. The most known ring road I think.
6. Small Moscow Ring. 335km. Mainly 1+1. Wider within cities and populated areas. Highway 120kmph.
7. Large Moscow Ring. 560km. Mainly 1+1. 2+2 in populated areas. It's a highway connecting outposts of Moscow suburbs - Klin, Dmitrov, Sergiev Posad, Orekhovo Zuevo, Serpukhov, Ruza etc. The border of Moscow metropolitan area.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 09:49 PM   #115
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Isn't the speed limit on MKAD 100 km/h?


http://maps.yandex.ru/?ll=37.612721%...81%2C35.379892

And how can it be 120 km/h on a 1+1-road when it's 110 km/h on motorways?
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Old September 7th, 2010, 10:13 PM   #116
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Right 100+20 kmph on MKAD and 80+20 kmph on 3rd Transport Ring. As they are located within the city they have special limitations.

Wikipedia says 120kmph on Small Moscow Ring. I suppose 110 kmph outside settlements and 60 kmph within settlements with some local more limitations. Anyway it's 90+20 kmph outside settlements settlements.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 11:58 PM   #117
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This is the longest ringroad ever! - http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=d&sourc...,19.753418&z=6 - 1039 km!

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Old September 8th, 2010, 12:11 AM   #118
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Wikipedia says 120kmph on Small Moscow Ring.
I think it's the design speed.

http://translate.google.si/translate...25D0%25B0%2529
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Old September 8th, 2010, 12:12 AM   #119
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Australia's Highway 1 beats that by a factor 14



14.500 kilometers.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 12:22 AM   #120
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You have to edit your post. (And feel free of remove this if you want).

Once, I measured the proposed M-60 around Madrid in Google Earth and I came up with 175 kilometers!
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