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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:46 AM   #2021
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Old August 11th, 2011, 08:53 PM   #2022
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What is the name of the tall black building and what is its height? It is taking WTC4 a long time to catch up to it.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:44 PM   #2023
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What is the name of the tall black building and what is its height? It is taking WTC4 a long time to catch up to it.
That's 1 Liberty Plaza. It's around 750 feet, I believe. Wikipedia says 743 feet, but I don't know for sure.

Just wait: 4 WTC's gonna make 1 Liberty look small... it's just a matter of time...
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Old August 12th, 2011, 01:21 AM   #2024
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1 Liberty Plaza... How I wish someone would tear it down, after the beautiful gem called Singer Building was torn down for this piece of junk in 1968...

Sorry for the little OT excursion, but this could still stand in the neighborhood of the World Trade Center if not for the stupidity of the 60s:
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Anyway, I don't really like 4 WTC the way it's build. It should have more setbacks, at least one.
This way it will most probably look pretty bland, even if the facade turns out good.
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Old August 12th, 2011, 02:10 AM   #2025
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^I like Tower 4 just at it is, it balances the structural exposure of it's neighbour Tower 3 with a minimalist design, pure Maki.

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Old August 12th, 2011, 12:34 PM   #2026
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Old August 12th, 2011, 03:17 PM   #2027
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cladding reached the little setback..

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Old August 12th, 2011, 10:28 PM   #2028
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I'm not going to lie, I'm not a fan of the singer building. Waiting for tower 4 to pass 1 liberty plaza, is like waiting for tower 1 to pass tower 7.
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Old August 12th, 2011, 10:36 PM   #2029
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^And watching Tower 3 pass 4 and watching 2 pass 3 will be a similar experience ^.^
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Old August 13th, 2011, 12:59 AM   #2030
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1 Liberty Plaza... How I wish someone would tear it down, after the beautiful gem called Singer Building was torn down for this piece of junk in 1968...

Sorry for the little OT excursion, but .

Erbse, I didn't mind your little OT excurion, as you called it. I actually enjoyed/appreciated it. But, while you took the liberty of posting OT, it strikes me as even more offputting that you have in the past been critical of people for taking what have been commonly considered to be even smaller liberties in their posts.

As you mature, I hope you'll learn to be more considerate of other people's posts and the small liberties they may take here and there. I also hope you'll grow to be more mature in the way you handle what you consider to be issues worthy of reprimand and maybe even handle them in a way that is less like a reprimand (slapping the hand of a child) and more like constructively steering folks in the right direction.

I guess I have high hopes and please take this as constructive/helpful criticism, but we've been very frustrated with some of the ways in which you've handled yourself (i.e., one of your recent rather offensive comments to someone who took the effort/time to share with us that was not to your liking because it was HDR). But, I guess we're all trying to be patient with your maturing process, but one would hope you would hold yourself to a higher standard as a moderator and be more respectful than to criticize something that simply isn't to your taste especially when someone took the time and effort to share an image with us in the very spirit of sharing/contributing. Isn't that what this is all supposed to be about?

But again, it appears to be about maturity and that takes time. Afterall, I've heard rumor that you're only like 16. Isn't that right? Well, best of luck to you. Anyhow, back to On Topic:

As usual, thanks to everyone who takes the time to take and post these great images and keeps this building's progress alive for us who are farther away from the action! It's especially exciting to see the corner setbacks being clad. But, I have to admit that I will miss seeing the concrete embedded diagonal bracing on the north side as it slowly disappears.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 01:11 AM   #2031
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Both east side and north side cladding going up. But it is way behind the west and south side. Not sure why.

Also, the north side cladding isn't full way across the building. It only goes part way. Again, not sure why
I often find myself wishing we had more people on here who actually work on the building and would have first-hand knowledge of why certain things are done the way they're done. Afterall, I'm sure there's a reason for the cladding being behind on the west and south sides and why the north side cladding isn't fully across the building.

It'd be great to see a posting (fantasy here) like: "Well, you see we had to slow down cladding on those sides because a part of the fireproofing may have been damaged on floor (?) and needed to be retested before we were authorized to continue in that area ... blah, blah, blah."

How do we find these people? And even if we did, how would we convenice them to post comments on these threads? After a hard day's work in this heat, the last thing they probably want to do is jump on the 'puter and type away. Then again, who knows. Maybe someday, huh?
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Old August 13th, 2011, 01:25 AM   #2032
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Afterall, I'm sure there's a reason for the cladding being behind on the west and south sides and why the north side cladding isn't fully across the building.
Short answer: Logistics and non-interchangeable parts.

Long answer: Because each row of windows covering the mechanical spaces are each a different size. On a typical floor, they can unload an entire truck of generic panes and put them anywhere that's not a corner. All of the mechanical level units are non-typical, and if they get a shipment of 12' panels, they can't stick them just anywhere. The facade also isn't designed to let you install windows beneath others. You can only go from bottom to top, so if you get a shipment of 13' panels, you can't install them until you get the 12' panels that go on the floor beneath the 13's.

It gets even more complicated when you're mixing different types of panels, like the all-glass and the half-louvered models. Again, they're not interchangeable.

Another example of this was the misshapen corner piece on Tower 1. They couldn't get it to fit, and they had to order a replacement. They couldn't just grab another panel, again, because it was a custom cut piece. It took them ~6 weeks to finally get it replaced.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 01:40 AM   #2033
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Thanks, STR. There's almost always a reason. Always interesting to find out what it is.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 01:49 AM   #2034
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Old August 13th, 2011, 02:54 AM   #2035
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Old August 13th, 2011, 11:46 AM   #2036
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Old August 13th, 2011, 03:23 PM   #2037
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Old August 13th, 2011, 05:07 PM   #2038
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Nice. That glass is looking better by the day. Some great reflections also in these pics.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 05:47 PM   #2039
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The facade also isn't designed to let you install windows beneath others.
What about the placeholders on the 20th floor at 1WTC? Won't they have to take those out and replace them with the final panes at some point in the future?
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Old August 13th, 2011, 06:14 PM   #2040
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What!? I thought someone said that even though the corners are indented, they would still square it off during cladding. Guess they were wrong.. I'm not sure if I like it like this...
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