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Old April 17th, 2012, 04:49 AM   #3281
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Old April 17th, 2012, 05:38 AM   #3282
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Nice pictures, but the NYC flag kind of reminds me of the former South African flag. Feels like Africa lol
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Old April 17th, 2012, 12:41 PM   #3283
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For some reason, Church St. entrance is counted as main ground floor slab, while leaving Greenwich Street elevation out. The Council will of course use Greenwich's to calcuate the final height, 977'.

Anyways:
Greenwich Street entrance El. 313'4"
Church Street entrance El. 324'-3"

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Old April 17th, 2012, 04:19 PM   #3284
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Fantastic diagram, Otie!

So it's still a close race between this one and 1 WTC, which one will reach roof height first..?!
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Old April 17th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #3285
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That is a stellar looking diagram Otie.

Here are the correct floor heights,
65- 837 ft 2 in (current floor)
66- 850 ft 8 in
67- 864 ft 2 in
68- 877 ft 8 in
69- 891 ft 2 in
70- 904 ft 8 in
71- 918 ft 2 in (last office floor)
72- 932 ft 10 in (mech floor)
72m- 964 ft 6 in
Top of parapet- 976 ft 10 in

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Old April 17th, 2012, 08:15 PM   #3286
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That is an absolutely phenomenal diagram Otie. Best I've seen so far. Wow.

This building still has some goog height to go too :-)
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Old April 18th, 2012, 01:21 AM   #3287
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Old April 18th, 2012, 02:13 AM   #3288
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I know they are on floor 65 at the moment. The elevation drawings Otie provided to me don't quite jive with the final height figure of 977 feet we've been told. But according to his drawing, 4WTC is 826 ft 5 in. high (add a few more feet to the column splice). The discreptiancy is likely to where the architects start counting from the ground floor. If 977 feet is correct, then all you need to do is add ~11 feet to the figures given.

The rest of the building goes
66- 839 ft 11 in
67- 853 ft 5 in
68- 866 ft 11 in
69- 880 5 in
70- 893 11 in
71- 907 5 in (last office floor)
72- 922 ft 1 in (mech floor)
72m- 953 ft 9 in
Top of parapet- 966 ft 1 in
thanks spectre~

and thank you Otie for giving us a wonderful diagram to follow 4WTC's construction!
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Old April 18th, 2012, 06:47 AM   #3289
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Glad y'all liked it, ~5 hours of straight work was worth it, still some adjustments to do before I like it.
Anyways, spectre I'd like to see any information about the floor numbering of this tower... intrigued about the existance of more than one
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:11 PM   #3290
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Great work, Otie.

They need to add a dinky little spire to 4WTC to make it a supertall.

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Old April 18th, 2012, 05:42 PM   #3291
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A while back (Jan 8th), there was a horse on top of 4WTC. Now it's back. I still have no idea why it's there.

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Old April 18th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #3292
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Glad y'all liked it, ~5 hours of straight work was worth it, still some adjustments to do before I like it.
Anyways, spectre I'd like to see any information about the floor numbering of this tower... intrigued about the existance of more than one
There have been several different floor numberings for this building since it was unveiled in 2006.

The architect originally called it 61 floors. Some called it 62. (Because of the top mechanical floors I presume). Then a few years ago Silverstein added 3 additional office floors. So it was 64 floors.

When it was 64 floors, here was how the floors were counted.

A quote on wtc.com, "...The lower- and mid-rise sections, floors 7 through 46, will feature a typical floor plate size of 44,000 rentable square feet in the shape of a parallelogram echoing the configuration of the site. These floors will be served by two elevator banks, each equipped with eight cars and one elevator bank with six cars. The high-rise section of the tower, from floors 48 to 63, will feature a trapezoidal floor plate measuring 34,000 rentable square feet...." So the mechanical floor is, or was number 47.

A couple years ago Silverstein changed the floor numbering to 72. On commercial real estate websites, such as Loopnet's 4WTC shows the new floor numbering. It's interesting on there they do not show any numbering change from the lower 44k sq ft floors to the higher, smaller setback floors. So they basically skipped the mechanical floor. Why they chose to do that is baffling. If you wanted your building to have more floors. Why not count the mechanical floor? Why not 73 stories instead of 72? The mech floor is real after all...
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Old April 18th, 2012, 06:02 PM   #3293
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Otie what software do you use for your diagrams? Dont tell me its MS Paint
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thanks spectre for your insight into the floor numbering... sounds confusing -.-

in related news today, i saw new perimeter columns in earthcam! on the western side to be exact... at this rate, we will top out sooner than 1WTC!
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Old April 18th, 2012, 10:57 PM   #3295
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New steel up today.

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12 floors' height above the setback
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Old April 18th, 2012, 11:43 PM   #3297
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Otie what software do you use for your diagrams? Dont tell me its MS Paint
Sketchup + Photoshop + Paint.NET
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There have been several different floor numberings for this building since it was unveiled in 2006.

The architect originally called it 61 floors. Some called it 62. (Because of the top mechanical floors I presume). Then a few years ago Silverstein added 3 additional office floors. So it was 64 floors.

When it was 64 floors, here was how the floors were counted.

A quote on wtc.com, "...The lower- and mid-rise sections, floors 7 through 46, will feature a typical floor plate size of 44,000 rentable square feet in the shape of a parallelogram echoing the configuration of the site. These floors will be served by two elevator banks, each equipped with eight cars and one elevator bank with six cars. The high-rise section of the tower, from floors 48 to 63, will feature a trapezoidal floor plate measuring 34,000 rentable square feet...." So the mechanical floor is, or was number 47.

A couple years ago Silverstein changed the floor numbering to 72. On commercial real estate websites, such as Loopnet's 4WTC shows the new floor numbering. It's interesting on there they do not show any numbering change from the lower 44k sq ft floors to the higher, smaller setback floors. So they basically skipped the mechanical floor. Why they chose to do that is baffling. If you wanted your building to have more floors. Why not count the mechanical floor? Why not 73 stories instead of 72? The mech floor is real after all...
Real estate companies love steroids, no doubt. They'll lease the top floor easier if they lable it as the 72nd floor instead of the 63rd floor. Oh, and in case anybody wouldn't trust them, he/she would just need to count the window panels. Yes, the new floor numbering matches with the number of rows of glass (starting from the lobby and counting the glass framing as floors).
I believe they decided to leave the mechanical floor without number because it wouldn't make sense to skip from 55 to 57 at the elevator panel. Meeh lets leave them with their screwed up numbering, we've got the one used by the contractors and engineers.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 12:47 AM   #3299
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Great to see the new steel up.

It is amazing they are managing to do all this with just one crane. Is the missing crane even slowing them down at all?
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Old April 19th, 2012, 02:22 AM   #3300
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There have been several different floor numberings for this building since it was unveiled in 2006.

The architect originally called it 61 floors. Some called it 62. (Because of the top mechanical floors I presume). Then a few years ago Silverstein added 3 additional office floors. So it was 64 floors.

When it was 64 floors, here was how the floors were counted.

A quote on wtc.com, "...The lower- and mid-rise sections, floors 7 through 46, will feature a typical floor plate size of 44,000 rentable square feet in the shape of a parallelogram echoing the configuration of the site. These floors will be served by two elevator banks, each equipped with eight cars and one elevator bank with six cars. The high-rise section of the tower, from floors 48 to 63, will feature a trapezoidal floor plate measuring 34,000 rentable square feet...." So the mechanical floor is, or was number 47.

A couple years ago Silverstein changed the floor numbering to 72. On commercial real estate websites, such as Loopnet's 4WTC shows the new floor numbering. It's interesting on there they do not show any numbering change from the lower 44k sq ft floors to the higher, smaller setback floors. So they basically skipped the mechanical floor. Why they chose to do that is baffling. If you wanted your building to have more floors. Why not count the mechanical floor? Why not 73 stories instead of 72? The mech floor is real after all...
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Real estate companies love steroids, no doubt. They'll lease the top floor easier if they lable it as the 72nd floor instead of the 63rd floor. Oh, and in case anybody wouldn't trust them, he/she would just need to count the window panels. Yes, the new floor numbering matches with the number of rows of glass (starting from the lobby and counting the glass framing as floors).
I believe they decided to leave the mechanical floor without number because it wouldn't make sense to skip from 55 to 57 at the elevator panel. Meeh lets leave them with their screwed up numbering, we've got the one used by the contractors and engineers.
I think office workers (especially one's in NY) are more savvy than that. Both the high rises I work and live in skip floor numbers on their elevator panels. Nobody gives it any thought. People just smirk a little when they don't see a number 13 in my condo building.

That's very interesting the rows of glass panels equals 72. That makes a little more sense.
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