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Old October 5th, 2009, 04:52 PM   #521
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I have a feeling that 4WTC might be top out, completed, and ready for tenants before 1WTC, i like the design, similar to that of 7WTC. I love how its sits right in front of One Liberty, and screws up there views.

Random question does the new 7WTC have more or less office space to that of World Trade Center 7?
If you're referring to the original World trade Center 7 it contained 1,868,000 sq. feet of office space and the new 7 WTC may be taller but it only contains 1.7 million sq. feet due to it's smaller footprint as the original footprint was larger.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 11:49 PM   #522
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Old October 10th, 2009, 12:58 AM   #523
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Street level is a bit different from tower 1. but at lest the crane is there
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Old October 10th, 2009, 02:07 AM   #524
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7 WTC had what, three tower cranes when it was nearly at its full height? I imagine this will be similar.

Although with the arbitration process starting soon I'm not sure that this thing is going anywhere for a few months, especially since the concrete contractor was told not to go above ground level a few weeks ago.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 02:47 AM   #525
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Street level is a bit different from tower 1. but at lest the crane is there
Their is about a 10 foot elevation drop from Church St to the future Greenwich St. So it does have a noticeable downward slope to it.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 12:03 AM   #526
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Well looks like that have a stop work order at 4WTC. Wow, is this ever crappy!

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A. You have a bureaucracy at the Port, and their mind-set is different from private enterprise. Anytime there’s a delay, they just change the schedule; anytime there’s an increase in costs, they increase the budget. As a private entrepreneur, I can’t function that way. We should have been much farther along.
Tower 4 is already at street level. Unfortunately, at the present pace of construction our building will be finished two years before the infrastructure is in place, the infrastructure that the Port’s obligated to do. So by virtue of that, we’re going to have to stop.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 06:39 AM   #527
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Well looks like that have a stop work order at 4WTC. Wow, is this ever crappy!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/re...sqft.html?_r=1
You're exaggerating a little bit. There was no mention of a stop work order in the article. He only stated that tower 4 would be completed before the infrastructure. Kind of sounds like a good negotiating point for towers 2 and 3 if you ask me.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 07:33 AM   #528
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You're exaggerating a little bit. There was no mention of a stop work order in the article. He only stated that tower 4 would be completed before the infrastructure. Kind of sounds like a good negotiating point for towers 2 and 3 if you ask me.
Well rumor has it steel erection has been put on hold, indefinitely. I don't know if that's true or someone's idea of a joke.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 04:05 PM   #529
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why is the infrastucture lagging behind? This project has been going on for years. (including planning/design)
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Old October 11th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #530
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why is the infrastucture lagging behind? This project has been going on for years. (including planning/design)
That's the million dollar question. But the whole site is inter-connected. The towers can't open without the vechicle security center (which is dependent on the Deutsche BB being demolished), Greenwich street needs to be open, and all the utility infrastructure needs to be in place.

The plans are there. But the timeframes they have quoted in the past were way to optimistic. Also some of the firms they hired to do the work have just been incompetent. Case in point, the company that was demolishing the old H&M station on the site of the new Calatrava hub was recently replaced.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 10:35 PM   #531
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Old October 12th, 2009, 03:46 AM   #532
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That's the million dollar question. But the whole site is inter-connected. The towers can't open without the vechicle security center (which is dependent on the Deutsche BB being demolished), Greenwich street needs to be open, and all the utility infrastructure needs to be in place.
I don't believe Greenwich street needs to be open for the towers to be open when everything else you mentioned is definitely true. I suppose they could make street side deliveries in some way and open before the vehicle security center is completed but it would certainly make things very difficult.
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Old October 12th, 2009, 03:51 AM   #533
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I've read quotes from Silverstein Properties reps cite Greenwich St needs to be completed for the towers (as well as for the Memorial) to be opened. I believe it's related to the utility lines underneath the street that are crucial.
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Old October 12th, 2009, 02:58 PM   #534
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I've read quotes from Silverstein Properties reps cite Greenwich St needs to be completed for the towers (as well as for the Memorial) to be opened. I believe it's related to the utility lines underneath the street that are crucial.
It's quite possible that utilities under this area are critical but opening the street itself isn't. I imagine it will be still being used for the staging of equipment and materials will construction on the site is still going on.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 12:31 AM   #535
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Well currently there are still people working on the site, and they are pouring the ground slab. I guess we'll see for how long....

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Old October 13th, 2009, 02:54 AM   #536
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Well currently there are still people working on the site, and they are pouring the ground slab. I guess we'll see for how long....
They've been pouring a lot of concrete on the Church St side. Good to see work continuing. Although it'd be nice to see some vertical progress. But I can understand Silverstein's dilemma. No point in finishing this tower right now if you can't open it when it's finished. Hurry up PA!
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This same thing they could hold up the opening of this building will also hold up the opening of WTC1. This means it's just as critical to the PA as it is to Silverstein. No utilities, no infrastructure, no towers it's as simple as that and everything is in the Port Authority's court!
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Old October 13th, 2009, 05:38 AM   #538
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Well this is going to pose a problem, the Port wants to move into this building (4WTC). They're holding up everything now.
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The PA could just as easily move to Tower 1 if they wanted to. They've managed to ignore every other obligation they had with Silverstein, so why not drop out of Tower 4?
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The Pa are some crooked basterds. They do it their way or no way
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