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Old July 10th, 2011, 11:23 PM   #1841
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For the argument regarding this and the old WTC, move on, accept changes. New York is catching up with other mega cities and I think these towers are the most beautiful towers U/C at this moment. 4 man made marvels are better then 2 tall, dull and uninspiring towers any day.

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I agree that the new WTC towers are the most beautiful towers under construction. In fact, there are only few towers, in the world, that look better than they do. However, I disagree that the old Twins were dull and uninspiring. In my opinion they, together with the Willis Tower, were the most beautiful structures ever built.
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Old July 10th, 2011, 11:45 PM   #1842
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For a long time, nothing will compete with the old Twin Towers. They were the cathedral of liberty and prosperity. The simple design, in combination with their vast dimensions, were timeless, and stand in a line with the pyramids of Egypt.
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Old July 10th, 2011, 11:50 PM   #1843
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For a long time, nothing will compete with the old Twin Towers. They were the cathedral of liberty and prosperity. The simple design, in combination with their vast dimensions, were timeless, and stand in a line with the pyramids of Egypt.
I 1000000% agree with you
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Old July 11th, 2011, 01:12 AM   #1844
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For a long time, nothing will compete with the old Twin Towers. They were the cathedral of liberty and prosperity. The simple design, in combination with their vast dimensions, were timeless, and stand in a line with the pyramids of Egypt.
Don't get me wrong, the twins were beautiful and innovational. But TO ME they are no more than a record breaker. Just like the Chrysler building, esb, Willis tower, and you'll hate me for saying this but.. Burj khalifa. The pyramids are more in a category of their own, considering nothing this massive would be built for 2 millenniums and everything else was marble sized. (that's my opinion)
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Old July 11th, 2011, 01:16 AM   #1845
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Don't get me wrong, the twins were beautiful and innovational. But TO ME they are no more than a record breaker. Just like the Chrysler building, esb, Willis tower, and you'll hate me for saying this but.. Burj khalifa. The pyramids are more in a category of their own, considering nothing this massive would be built for 2 millenniums and everything else was marble sized. (that's my opinion)
Let me say though ,the twin towers were much more marvelous than bk, which is a neat sight, but no more than a 2600 foot thorn in the desert.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 01:35 AM   #1846
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I still maintain that this building is boring as hell. I hate simple design for buildings taller than 800 feet.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 02:00 AM   #1847
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I disagree that the old Twins were dull and uninspiring. In my opinion they, together with the Willis Tower, were the most beautiful structures ever built.
Boring, dull, lame, bland, weak, complacent, uninspiring, and unimaginative are just a few words I'd use to describe those buildings.

Anybody can design a box, including brain dead zombies.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 02:37 AM   #1848
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Old July 11th, 2011, 02:52 AM   #1849
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on that lovely description of the old world trade center buildings, can we get back to discussing one of the new ones?
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Old July 11th, 2011, 02:59 AM   #1850
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In my opinion, the glass is looking really good (unlike my previous, unspoken feelings). I was expecting a similar look to 1 WTC, but it holds its own in color and "reflective-ness". Some of the panels look thick. Especially the vents.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 03:02 AM   #1851
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Sear tower is butt ugly. I created better looking structures with legos.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 05:49 AM   #1852
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Boring, dull, lame, bland, weak, complacent, uninspiring, and unimaginative are just a few words I'd use to describe those buildings.

Anybody can design a box, including brain dead zombies.
Like a friend of mine said, it is easier to design a curvy building than to make a boxy one look good. And according to every architecture book I've ever read, the Twin Towers achieved that.

Personally, I didn't like them, I didn't like the color, I didn't like the shape. But being able to appreciate them, is probably like being able to appreciate an old movie. Not as shiny and full of CGI like today's movies, but a classic none the less. So if someone tell's me why they like them, even though I don't, I can still understand why they were considered beautiful, majestic, classics, and appreciate the work that every person did to design and engineer them.

Instead of calling them brain dead zombies.
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Like a friend of mine said, it is easier to design a curvy building than to make a boxy one look good. And according to every architecture book I've ever read, the Twin Towers achieved that.

Personally, I didn't like them, I didn't like the color, I didn't like the shape. But being able to appreciate them, is probably like being able to appreciate an old movie. Not as shiny and full of CGI like today's movies, but a classic none the less. So if someone tell's me why they like them, even though I don't, I can still understand why they were considered beautiful, majestic, classics, and appreciate the work that every person did to design and engineer them.

Instead of calling them brain dead zombies.
Thats a good way of looking at it
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Old July 11th, 2011, 12:05 PM   #1854
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Like a friend of mine said, it is easier to design a curvy building than to make a boxy one look good. And according to every architecture book I've ever read, the Twin Towers achieved that.

Personally, I didn't like them, I didn't like the color, I didn't like the shape. But being able to appreciate them, is probably like being able to appreciate an old movie. Not as shiny and full of CGI like today's movies, but a classic none the less. So if someone tell's me why they like them, even though I don't, I can still understand why they were considered beautiful, majestic, classics, and appreciate the work that every person did to design and engineer them.

Instead of calling them brain dead zombies.
The problem is that most of the people see them as 2 tall gray boxes..That's shallow..Most of the people don't understand architecture and can't see the beauty of it..They don't know how to "see" the architecture..Twins had story..A good story..They were built to dominate..The mass was the main feature they had..World tallest buildings..They were built to destroy everything around them..I could write a whole interpretation of the twins now, but this is not the place for this..My point is that if people can't interpretate the architecture, they can't enjoy it..Just like the poems..
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Old July 11th, 2011, 01:08 PM   #1855
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Well, everybody has a different taste. I like boxy design full of right angles
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Old July 11th, 2011, 02:04 PM   #1856
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Boring, dull, lame, bland, weak, complacent, uninspiring, and unimaginative are just a few words I'd use to describe those buildings.

Anybody can design a box, including brain dead zombies.
Well you are brain dead. They weren't just 'boxes'. Do some research douche.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 06:01 PM   #1857
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I can see now the crane and a sliver of 4WTC....

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Old July 11th, 2011, 06:53 PM   #1858
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The problem is that most of the people see them as 2 tall gray boxes..That's shallow..Most of the people don't understand architecture and can't see the beauty of it..They don't know how to "see" the architecture..Twins had story..A good story..They were built to dominate..The mass was the main feature they had..World tallest buildings..They were built to destroy everything around them..I could write a whole interpretation of the twins now, but this is not the place for this..My point is that if people can't interpretate the architecture, they can't enjoy it..Just like the poems..
Which is to say they had great negative space. I'll give them that. WTC plaza was a great open space because it was framed by the towers. In 1973, Philip Petit demonstrated that the most beautiful thing about the buildings (which were savaged in the popular press for being big, ugly, municipal, boxes emblematic of the general failure of modernist architecture to not build same) was the space between them. Negative space is an under appreciated aspect of architecture, but it's not an excuse to make your buildings so ugly that they make the space around them look better by comparison.

I mourn for the thousands that lost their lives when they were destroyed, but not for the buildings themselves.
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Ken, if you can, any other pics of WTC 4 will be great. As you can see, Carlos's view is largely blocked until he gets the place at Beekman. :-)
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Old July 12th, 2011, 11:56 AM   #1860
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Well you are brain dead. They weren't just 'boxes'. Do some research douche.
I think those adjectives are a bit harsh, but you can't deny they were basically boxes. There's no need to be getting all superior. I don't think any amount of research will change the fact that they were just very tall boxes. Sure, they now hold a lot of significance for a lot of people, but their design wasn't exactly inspired.


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Well, everybody has a different taste. I like boxy design full of right angles
I love right angled towers too, and Sears is a great favourite of mine, but there's nothing special in design about the Twins, to me.
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