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Old July 28th, 2011, 12:44 AM   #1921
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There's nothing bad on boxy design. I like boxy design

Btw, once this building passes 200m I'll start making progress diagrams for it
Why it isn't going to be the tallest in the city or lower manhattan for that matter.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 03:16 AM   #1922
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Uhm, how can it be the tallest if 1WTC and ESB are taller
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Old July 28th, 2011, 03:54 AM   #1923
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I never said anything was wrong with a boxy design. I asked why the L was there in the corner if they clad over it to make it boxy anyway.
Never noticed that!
In all the renderings I saw so far the L shaped notch was visible from outside.
I assume that the cladding is much cheaper that way. And that it's far to late to change the structure of the building.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 04:08 AM   #1924
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Uhm, how can it be the tallest if 1WTC and ESB are taller
Maybe that's why he said isn't. Also, no diagrams please Kanto. You're wasting your time and effort. Nobody likes them.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 05:02 AM   #1925
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for a minute I thought I wrote something wrong. And I love the check list but it's meaningless for this building.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 07:23 AM   #1926
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Maybe that's why he said isn't. Also, no diagrams please Kanto. You're wasting your time and effort. Nobody likes them.
So through a miracle you know what everybody likes. Arogance and ignorance will never go out of fashion, will they

Also, it should be noted that in the poll about measurement methods 86% of people support roof height measurement. Only 14% support spire measurement. You still think you're speaking for everyone?
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Old July 28th, 2011, 07:42 AM   #1927
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He's speaking for me bro.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 07:59 AM   #1928
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But not for everybody, as he claims. That's a typical approach of arrogant people, to pretend that everybody agrees with them, even though in reality they are in a crushing minority
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Old July 28th, 2011, 08:26 AM   #1929
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I'm down with the spire. Guest I'm part of that 14%. It only makes sense, seeing most building today aren't flat at the top.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 09:55 AM   #1930
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Just because someone can't physically be in/on a spire doesn't mean that its not there. You can still see it and its part of the building and therefore should be counted int he height like they are. Spires can be one of the hardest parts to build on a tower so they should definitely be counted towards the height.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 10:43 AM   #1931
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No they shouldn't and at this moment 88% of forumers agree with me. Spires are a cheap trick to increase height. That's why counting them is unfair.

Some people claim I'm misleading people, but the truth is that my diagrams are what the people want, as proven by the poll
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Old July 28th, 2011, 11:09 AM   #1932
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Let him put in the diagrams. If someone wants to feel they are contributing why not.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 12:04 PM   #1933
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No they shouldn't and at this moment 88% of forumers agree with me. Spires are a cheap trick to increase height. That's why counting them is unfair.

Some people claim I'm misleading people, but the truth is that my diagrams are what the people want, as proven by the poll
You aren't misleading people, you are just stating your opinion. There's nothing wrong with that. I sort of agree with you, especially in the case of today's one on one, but it really depends on whether it's an integrated spire like Chrysler's or just a spike on a flat top like NY Times.

I think there should be just 2 measures: Pinnacle and Roof. I'm not sure which one should be the official measure though.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 04:55 PM   #1934
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Why must you make this argument in every thread - even in one that doesn't have a spire..

I'm not speaking out of arrogance. I'm only trying to get you to realize that the official and current measurement of height should be used.

I'm also trying to save you the trouble of making another useless diagram. Obviously you were too ignorant in the 1 WTC thread to realize that the majority of users didn't like your diagram, regardless of what your statistics say.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 05:17 PM   #1935
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Personally, as much as I like spires I don't think we should count them when ranking buildings. If we count spires, then wouldn't the radio tower out in the Dakotas be the tallest "building" in the US?

So having one diagram with spires and one without can be useful - then everyone can see the comparison that they personally consider best.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 05:29 PM   #1936
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Thanks for the updated pics Otie - this thread really needed them.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 05:30 PM   #1937
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Personally, as much as I like spires I don't think we should count them when ranking buildings. If we count spires, then wouldn't the radio tower out in the Dakotas be the tallest "building" in the US?

So having one diagram with spires and one without can be useful - then everyone can see the comparison that they personally consider best.
Well no, because they are antennas not spires.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 05:37 PM   #1938
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Well no, because they are antennas not spires.
Yes, but that is really just semantics. If the "antenna" rests on a one story concrete building it is now a "spire"?

Another way to see the sillyness of this is to note that simply because of the spire the WTC1 will be taller than the Sears Tower, even though the roof height of the Sears Tower is 100 feet higher.

That is why in my book even after WTC1 is finished the tallest building in the US is still in Chicago.

But to each their own.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 07:17 PM   #1939
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That nice take it to the 1WTC thread. I'm sick of seeing spire fights, in every thread I enter. This building doesn't have one, so why are you fighting over it.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 08:40 PM   #1940
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Its still hard to imagine that this one will be the shortest of the new WTC towers, and it will be almost 15m taller that WTC1 is now. :-O Add 50 West, 56 leonard, 99 Church, WTC 2 and 3, 111 and 90 Washington street and you get a sense how gigantic LM will be. :-O
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