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Old October 8th, 2013, 07:17 PM   #3201
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In other places you can build a megatall with that amount of $$$.
The PA's board meeting minutes reported a price of $2.35 billion. But that included some extras I believe. $2+ billion would sound about right. 4WTC was $1.8 billion.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #3202
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In other places you can build a megatall with that amount of $$$.
$2 billion? In New York City, you can build a 6 story Police Academy in Queens for half that amount.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 11:02 PM   #3203
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$2 billion? In New York City, you can build a 6 story Police Academy in Queens for half that amount.

LOL! That is really unbelievable. Are they building that academy like fort Knox?? I mean that thing is massive.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 02:45 AM   #3204
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Burj Khalifa only cost $1.5 billion to build, while the US somehow spent $100 billion building a single plane recently.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 03:12 AM   #3205
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LOL! That is really unbelievable. Are they building that academy like fort Knox?? I mean that thing is massive.
its a very big project.

but yes, building in new york is very expensive. just like any major world city.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 01:57 PM   #3206
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Building in Asia will be cheaper anyway. No problem.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #3207
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i really hope they can restart with the core early next year!
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Old October 10th, 2013, 06:19 PM   #3208
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Burj Khalifa only cost $1.5 billion to build, while the US somehow spent $100 billion building a single plane recently.
Sorry but you are pulling numbers out of your ass. I dont care if I am not politically correct however you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 08:48 PM   #3209
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Yea, maybe LAF2 should take those zeros off. It is crazy, though, to think that you could build the tallest building in the world for the cost of one or two advanced military jets.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 09:23 PM   #3210
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$100 Billion sounds insane though for an aircraft, but then again maybe LAF has access to classified information. Hehehe.

Actually the most expensive aircraft “unclassified “ is the USAF B2 Spirit at $2.4 B a pop.
http://air-attack.com/page/36/B-2-Spirit.html

So you can build 2 nice super-duper-tall towers with the price of 1 of those bad boys.

And according to this website the Burj costs $1.5 Billion.
http://tallest-buildings.findthedata...-cost-to-build


The upcoming Kingdom tower estimated cost will be $1.2 Billion.
http://smithgill.com/media/pdfs/Kingdom_for_web_7.pdf


My favorite! NYPD Police Academy at home discount of $1 Billion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRlxDLx6otE



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Old October 10th, 2013, 10:16 PM   #3211
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Yea, maybe LAF2 should take those zeros off. It is crazy, though, to think that you could build the tallest building in the world for the cost of one or two advanced military jets.
He may have been speaking of "program costs" not individual planes...
its common knowledge that the F-35 program has spent 50 billion so far in development...with life span cost between 300-400 billion (down from 1.5 trillion)
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Old October 10th, 2013, 10:20 PM   #3212
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My favorite! NYPD Police Academy at home discount of $1 Billion.
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1Bn for such a building?? is it made of gold or something?
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Old October 10th, 2013, 11:37 PM   #3213
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1Bn for such a building?? is it made of gold or something?
No gold. But it does house a sentient computer called skynet. It its currently being trained to police the world.
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1Bn for such a building?? is it made of gold or something?
No, it's made of New York's "finest."
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Old October 11th, 2013, 07:57 PM   #3215
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you guys have to think about labor costs!! don't forget that in Dubai, most of the workers aren't even citizens of the UAE. they are all immigrants being paid very low wages.

in NYC, labor is going to be extremely expensive. you have unions, labor laws, limits on the amount of work, etc. not to mention how expensive it is just to get materials to manhattan (and the rest of the city). everything is at a premium here. just the way it is.
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Burj Khalifa only cost $1.5 billion to build, while the US somehow spent $100 billion building a single plane recently.
In US you can not use slave work force.
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Old October 11th, 2013, 08:58 PM   #3217
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you guys have to think about labor costs!! don't forget that in Dubai, most of the workers aren't even citizens of the UAE. they are all immigrants being paid very low wages.

in NYC, labor is going to be extremely expensive. you have unions, labor laws, limits on the amount of work, etc. not to mention how expensive it is just to get materials to manhattan (and the rest of the city). everything is at a premium here. just the way it is.
Indeed. My favorite overhead is the oilers. As the Times once reported:

"The men who operate and maintain cranes and other heavy equipment are the royalty of the construction industry, with some earning well over $200,000 a year in jobs often passed down from fathers to sons. [..] But the tower cranes are not owned by the contractor the engineers work for. They are rented from crane companies, which usually prohibit anyone but their own engineers from fixing the equipment, leaving the contractor’s engineers with relatively little to do. [..] “They’ve become what we know in the industry as glorified timekeepers,” said one veteran crane operator [..] doing away with 56 “non-working” mechanics and oilers at the World Trade Center site could save $67 million over the next three years"

source: nytimes

A few arcane excesses aside, having decent pay and safety standards is a good thing, of course.
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Old October 12th, 2013, 04:38 AM   #3218
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Indeed. My favorite overhead is the oilers. As the Times once reported:

"The men who operate and maintain cranes and other heavy equipment are the royalty of the construction industry, with some earning well over $200,000 a year in jobs often passed down from fathers to sons. [..] But the tower cranes are not owned by the contractor the engineers work for. They are rented from crane companies, which usually prohibit anyone but their own engineers from fixing the equipment, leaving the contractor’s engineers with relatively little to do. [..] “They’ve become what we know in the industry as glorified timekeepers,” said one veteran crane operator [..] doing away with 56 “non-working” mechanics and oilers at the World Trade Center site could save $67 million over the next three years"

source: nytimes

A few arcane excesses aside, having decent pay and safety standards is a good thing, of course.
speaking from the industry. tower cranes are one of the few machines that actually require day to day maintenance.

there is another consideration for everyone here that is not in construction. you do not want the operator to ever leave the seat. they go up in the morning and come down when the shift is over. The oiler gets the operator his coffee, lunch, etc. they even use the bathroom up there. every minute the crane is not working, the critical path stops.

the one complaint i do have is that the operators get paid extra to be in the seat at 7, instead of starting their climb at 7.

usually they get paid one hour of OT per day to do that...
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Old October 12th, 2013, 02:54 PM   #3219
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can we get back on topic please?
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$100 Billion sounds insane though for an aircraft, but then again maybe LAF has access to classified information. Hehehe.

Actually the most expensive aircraft “unclassified “ is the USAF B2 Spirit at $2.4 B a pop.
http://air-attack.com/page/36/B-2-Spirit.html

So you can build 2 nice super-duper-tall towers with the price of 1 of those bad boys.

And according to this website the Burj costs $1.5 Billion.
http://tallest-buildings.findthedata...-cost-to-build


The upcoming Kingdom tower estimated cost will be $1.2 Billion.
http://smithgill.com/media/pdfs/Kingdom_for_web_7.pdf


My favorite! NYPD Police Academy at home discount of $1 Billion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRlxDLx6otE



I know that building! I see it quite often on my visits to Queens. That's just one of the many buildings under construction in that area of Queens.
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