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Old August 6th, 2014, 11:00 PM   #4341
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when they get the cranes to the site??
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Old August 6th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #4342
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The Manitowoc 888 will be coming by the end of this week, along with crane parts.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #4343
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Why does 3WTC have a estimated completion year of 2018 when it's already above street level and the podium has been constructed most of 57 street resdential towers have estimated completion years before 2018 and they are still digging their foundations and deconstructing buildings for them and are not even close to becoming above street level and plus must of them will be way taller than 3WTC.

3 World Trade Center 1170ft- Estimated Completion Year 2018
217 West 57 Street 1775ft- Estimated Completion Year late 2017 or early 2018
111 west 57 Street 1350ft- Estimated Completion Year late 2016
220 Central Park South 950ft- Estimated Completion Year late 2016
Tower Verre 1050ft- Estimated Completion Year late 201?
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Old August 7th, 2014, 12:48 AM   #4344
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Why does 3WTC have a estimated completion year of 2018 when it's already above street level and the podium has been constructed most of 57 street resdential towers have estimated completion years before 2018 and they are still digging their foundations and deconstructing buildings for them and are not even close to becoming above street level and plus must of them will be way taller than 3WTC.

3 World Trade Center 1170ft- Estimated Completion Year 2018
217 West 57 Street 1775ft- Estimated Completion Year late 2017 or early 2018
111 west 57 Street 1350ft- Estimated Completion Year late 2016
220 Central Park South 950ft- Estimated Completion Year late 2016
Tower Verre 1050ft- Estimated Completion Year late 201?
The WTC projects, unfortunately, have been plagued by delays from financial problems.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 01:09 AM   #4345
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The opening date is very, very early 2018 and refers to when the public is allowed access to it. The TCO (Temporary Certificate of Occupancy) is slated at 6/17, which is when tenants will be able to move in. I'm sure the tower will be topped out Q3 2016.

Also, this is an office tower with massive floorplates, so you shouldn't compare the speed of this to those super-skinny residential towers.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 01:17 AM   #4346
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To add to weidncol's answer, the WTC towers are literally overbuilt buildings for their size and use due to security issues with past bombings and whatnot. So they take longer to build for using more rebar, stronger concrete, and extra steel beam support. These buildings are bad examples of how a building is normally built.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 01:57 AM   #4347
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But to add to your point, these buildings are preponderant examples of carefully engineered and ingeniously built structures that have extreme strength and durability. I would say that these buildings should be the primacy exemplification how a skyscraper should be built compared to other towers that do not have the same structural integrity. But of course these buildings are monuments and not corporate boxes. It can be argued that architecturally they are lacking and even blase, but to question their engineering is out of the algorithm. One World alone is stronger than the Hoover Dam! That is remarkable engineering. To me these towers are more of a monument to engineering than architecture. lol My grandfather, who was an architect, and his brother, who was an engineer, both had a great saying: "If engineers were to design a building it would be ugly and if an architect were to engineer it it would fall. Without the engineer a building won't stand and without an architect it won't look nice."
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Old August 7th, 2014, 02:02 AM   #4348
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Very well put!!
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But to add to your point, these buildings are preponderant examples of carefully engineered and ingeniously built structures that have extreme strength and durability. I would say that these buildings should be the primacy exemplification how a skyscraper should be built compared to other towers that do not have the same structural integrity. But of course these buildings are monuments and not corporate boxes. It can be argued that architecturally they are lacking and even blase, but to question their engineering is out of the algorithm. One World alone is stronger than the Hoover Dam! That is remarkable engineering. To me these towers are more of a monument to engineering than architecture. lol My grandfather, who was an architect, and his brother, who was an engineer, both had a great saying: "If engineers were to design a building it would be ugly and if an architect were to engineer it it would fall. Without the engineer a building won't stand and without an architect it won't look nice."
Cost cost cost cost cost. The buildings may be impressively engineered, but they are engineered in an actively wasteful manner. More so for 1WTC than 3WTC, but true for all. There's no need for "extreme strength and durability" here. Overengineering costs money, and money doesn't grow on trees.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 02:53 AM   #4350
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You're kidding me right? The Trade Center has been a twice attacked site, one of which completely destroyed it. I would say the way these towers are being built is a good thing in the long run so they have a better chance of not collapsing in some kind of attack.
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Coming from someone who worked at the Trade Center during the 93 attack and witnessed 9/11 from across the street I would say that 90% of the security measures they have and are taking for the complex are very much so needed. Like weidncol stated above, the site has been attacked twice and completely destroyed before. Yeah the likeliness of another 9/11 is very slim, but why take that chance again? Is it necessary to block off regular car traffic from the site and all the bollards? Not really. Are the ways these towers being built necessary? Absolutely. If terrorists strike NYC again you best believe the Trade Center would be one of the first places they hit again. No doubt.
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Cost cost cost cost cost. The buildings may be impressively engineered, but they are engineered in an actively wasteful manner. More so for 1WTC than 3WTC, but true for all. There's no need for "extreme strength and durability" here. Overengineering costs money, and money doesn't grow on trees.

Cost Cost Cost is a reason why we have a free market system. (Well, now it's, discouragingly, a semi free market and controlled market) The free market is supposed to find ways to limit costs by means of efficiency. The massive drawbacks with incurred costs is purely the fault of an out of control bureaucracy. Plain and simple. Had this project been exclusively done by the private free market I can confidently bet the costs would have been greatly diminished and the time frame of construction would have been cut in half. The free market is financing the rise of supertalls on 57th street and they are rising like weeds. Hell, the PA hasn't even the competency to anchor tenants. Too many bureaucrats and pat on the back deals by "buddies" connected to the "gravy train" have conflicted greatly with this project and turned it into a circus. Had this project been exclusively financed and done by the free market it would have been executed far more efficiently. Money would have been handled more carefully and costs would have been a lot less. Unlike a bureaucracy, private investors expect a nice return in their dividends since they are investing so much, and you better give them their moneys worth ASAP because money, indeed, does not grow on trees.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 04:40 AM   #4353
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Why does 3WTC have a estimated completion year of 2018 when it's already above street level and the podium has been constructed most of 57 street resdential towers have estimated completion years before 2018 and they are still digging their foundations and deconstructing buildings for them and are not even close to becoming above street level and plus must of them will be way taller than 3WTC. 3 World Trade Center 1170ft- Estimated Completion Year 2018 217 West 57 Street 1775ft- Estimated Completion Year late 2017 or early 2018 111 west 57 Street 1350ft- Estimated Completion Year late 2016 220 Central Park South 950ft- Estimated Completion Year late 2016 Tower Verre 1050ft- Estimated Completion Year late 201?
This is the result of having the decisions made partly dependent on government; which brings nothing but red tape. The 57th street towers are all privately funded.
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Cost Cost Cost is a reason why we have a free market system. (Well, now it's, discouragingly, a semi free market and controlled market) The free market is supposed to find ways to limit costs by means of efficiency. The massive drawbacks with incurred costs is purely the fault of an out of control bureaucracy. Plain and simple. Had this project been exclusively done by the private free market I can confidently bet the costs would have been greatly diminished and the time frame of construction would have been cut in half. The free market is financing the rise of supertalls on 57th street and they are rising like weeds. Hell, the PA hasn't even the competency to anchor tenants. Too many bureaucrats and pat on the back deals by "buddies" connected to the "gravy train" have conflicted greatly with this project and turned it into a circus. Had this project been exclusively financed and done by the free market it would have been executed far more efficiently. Money would have been handled more carefully and costs would have been a lot less. Unlike a bureaucracy, private investors expect a nice return in their dividends since they are investing so much, and you better give them their moneys worth ASAP because money, indeed, does not grow on trees.
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The current security measures are too defensive and not offensive enough. Each rooftop should be equipped with remote controlled missiles and the airspace should be constantly monitored. The kinds of terrorists who could actually do serious damage to the complex don't give a damn about bollards and secure lanes. Those things will mostly negatively affect neighborhood residents like me.
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Old August 7th, 2014, 08:21 AM   #4356
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The current security measures are too defensive and not offensive enough. Each rooftop should be equipped with remote controlled missiles and the airspace should be constantly monitored. The kinds of terrorists who could actually do serious damage to the complex don't give a damn about bollards and secure lanes. Those things will mostly negatively affect neighborhood residents like me.
After 9/11, US Navy has permanently stationed a Submarine in the waters of New York Harbour. It is designed to protect New York from another 9/11 type event.
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And an integrated missile defense system won't?
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After 9/11, US Navy has permanently stationed a Submarine in the waters of New York Harbour. It is designed to protect New York from another 9/11 type event.
Bull S! - urban legend.
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Seriously? Missiles on top of commercial towers? That does not sound batshit crazy distopian to you? Because it should.
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After 9/11, US Navy has permanently stationed a Submarine in the waters of New York Harbour. It is designed to protect New York from another 9/11 type event.
Considering submarines have no aircraft defense systems they wouldn't be useful if they were there. Of course there is not one stationed there permanently, never has been, probably never will be!
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