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Old May 18th, 2011, 06:51 AM   #521
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Risking being slightly off-topic, why is that the transit Calatrava terminal cost has skyrocket so much that is now going to cost most than any WTC tower but WTC1? Is there any particular interference with construction of WTC1 (and neighboring towers) that makes a mere rail station more expensive than a mid-size airport, compete with runways and terminals?
PT Terminals can be extremely costly to build... and Calatrava costs a pretty penny, though him designing it is only a tiny percentage of the cost to build it.
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Old May 18th, 2011, 09:10 AM   #522
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One Name is enough to answer ur question: Calatrave. His ambitious designs are always costly, and therefore hes being hated by many city developers, councils and locals.
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PT Terminals can be extremely costly to build... and Calatrava costs a pretty penny, though him designing it is only a tiny percentage of the cost to build it.
I guess the cost overrun of that terminal, within the whole WTC project site, exemplifies why people are growing increasingly skeptical of government-backed schemes for real estate development. Sure, WTC-1 got away and is being built fast, but as a whole project site, WTC is one of the worst managed, financially, in the history of NYC, isn't it?

I have a sense that the many changes of WTC-1 project that can all be read in this thread (the displacement from street side, the massive steel 60ft lobby, countless redesigns of the tower itself, up to the recent glass wall cover fiasco) demonstrate what is wrong with these big projects where gazillion agencies, NGOs and officers want to have a say.

Then, it comes to WTC-3. If the "master building" is having problems (and indeed is only being built because government agencies vowed to rent floor in a very uncompetitive way - they should have bid the open market for floor space in Lower Manhattan instead), we couldn't expect different things for WTC-3.

IMVHO, they should have repaid Silverstein back then, let them with the billions in insurance + some decent money for curtailed profits, and auctioned off the site to different developers who'd compete - instead of collude - between them. But now the project is Silverstein's hostage.

It is not a problem that affects NYC only, of course, but I think overall the WTC will act as a (very) bad predecessor for an involvement with developers that can't be good for long-term perspectives of big estate projects.
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Old May 18th, 2011, 11:28 AM   #523
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Let's try to keep the libertarian bullshit out of here. M'kay? It's causing you to make up things that are both unrealistic and not entirely true, particularly the asinine idea that somehow what the site was missing was more competing interests.

Silverstein has done pretty well, despiting being saddled with incompetent Pataki-appointed cronies, dirty insurance companies that tried their hardest to squirm out of their insurance obligations, a ranting group of politically active victims families trying to stop ANY commercial rebuilding, and an economy that's done everything except cooperate. We would not be seeing a WTC of the size and scope we're getting without that little man. This is his legacy to the city, and don't even try to cheapen it after he's spent 10 years and a billion dollars when he could have easily taken the insurance money and cut and run. Nobody would have blamed him if he did that, in fact they offered him a free get-out-of-contract-free card on several occasions.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 04:10 AM   #524
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PT Terminals can be extremely costly to build... and Calatrava costs a pretty penny, though him designing it is only a tiny percentage of the cost to build it.
That all may be true but they've already taken out the most expensive part of the terminal. His original design was to have the roof able to be opened and closed. That was already scrapped to save money if the entire cost of the building has increased dramatically. Sounds like maybe the good old Butler building may have to suffice!
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Old May 21st, 2011, 09:22 PM   #525
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Old May 28th, 2011, 02:42 AM   #526
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does anybody know when they will begin to install structural steel for the below grade level floors?
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Old May 29th, 2011, 04:05 AM   #529
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Old May 29th, 2011, 03:10 PM   #530
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This is my favourite of the lot. The base is just amazing. I hope they'll find a major tenant for it soon.
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does anybody know when they will begin to install structural steel for the below grade level floors?
Tower 3 won't have steel down there like tower 2..Only thick steel rebars for armature inside the concrete..
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What is the news update with concern to 3WTC and 2WTC nowdays? Still going to be stumps? Or has the green light been given to allow complete construction of both or one of the towers?
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What is the news update with concern to 3WTC and 2WTC nowdays? Still going to be stumps? Or has the green light been given to allow complete construction of both or one of the towers?
A quote from Silverstein's president of WTC rebuilding, "...Lieber said that by May 2012, a decision will be made about whether or not to order steel to continue building Tower 3’s full superstructure."
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Old May 30th, 2011, 12:50 AM   #534
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So a year from now. All structures should hopefully be at street level by then, Greenwich street, transport HUB and the southern pit where the green swimming pool at the former Deutsche Bank Building site.
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progress on both 2 and 3WTC is looking good.
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Old May 31st, 2011, 10:15 PM   #536
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if the quality of that photo was any better, some members might complain.
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Old June 1st, 2011, 05:03 PM   #538
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