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Old July 4th, 2011, 08:32 AM   #721
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Is 4WTC now taller than 300m? It seems that the newer render one is a bit taller in that comparison
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Old July 4th, 2011, 11:11 AM   #722
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No it's the same height
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Old July 5th, 2011, 02:33 PM   #723
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2WTC looks about the same, 3WTC on the other hand looks significantly shorter. it could just be the render tho
I hope it's only the rendering. I would hate if Larry made it shorter for it to be cheaper
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Old July 6th, 2011, 01:41 AM   #724
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I hope it's only the rendering. I would hate if Larry made it shorter for it to be cheaper
I don't think such a height change would be substantial enough to ruin the effect of the building. Regardless, in context of the surrounding area, it will/would still be gigantic.
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Old July 6th, 2011, 08:37 PM   #725
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...jNEXUtqeogJ9BP

Cracked crane at WTC site
By LOIS WEISS

There's another bump in the long road that leads to the rebuilding of the World Trade Center site.

A newly erected crane at Tower 3 was undergoing testing when its operating engineer discovered a crack, sources tell The Post.

The crane is the second on the project and was not yet due to be operational, sources noted. Work is still underway under ground level.

The crane may be repaired on site, but a remedial plan has been submitted and must now be approved by the city's Dept. of Buildings, sources added.

Owner Silverstein Properties spokesman confirmed the issues and said, "A problem with the second crane was detected as part of a required series of inspections by crane engineers during the installation process. This is how the system is supposed to work. The crane was never put into use and there was no safety risk."

"The crane," the spokesman added, "is not yet needed, so we do not anticipate any delay to the project as a result."
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Old July 6th, 2011, 09:06 PM   #726
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I hope it's only the rendering. I would hate if Larry made it shorter for it to be cheaper
I doubt it's shorter. The new rendering shows that the number of above ground floors is exactly the same (ie 71).

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Old July 6th, 2011, 11:20 PM   #727
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I doubt it's shorter. The new rendering shows that the number of above ground floors is exactly the same (ie 71).

Well, I hope you're right
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Old July 6th, 2011, 11:24 PM   #728
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Apparently this building WILL be fully built!

http://www.wtc.com/about/office-towe...enter-schedule
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Old July 6th, 2011, 11:44 PM   #729
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The first render above shows people walking around on the top of the podium. Is that actually planned to be a public outdoor space?
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Old July 6th, 2011, 11:49 PM   #730
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The first render above shows people walking around on the top of the podium. Is that actually planned to be a public outdoor space?
If it is, imagine the possibilities. Imagine a restaurant there. Though I bet 98% of people couldn't afford to visit it
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Old July 7th, 2011, 01:41 AM   #731
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Yeah, i think they're taking this one all the way up just look at the comparison between 3wtc schedule and 2wtc

3WTC
Conceptual Design September 6, 2006
Schematic Design March 1, 2007
Design Development July 1, 2007
Foundation Construction January - July 2008
Construction Drawings April 1, 2008
Foundation Work Begins July 2010
Foundation Reaches Grade December 2011
Steel Tops Out Winter 2013
Curtainwall Enclosure Summer 2014
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2WTC
Conceptual Design September 6, 2006
Schematic Design March 1, 2007
Design Development July 1, 2007
Foundation Construction July - December 2008
Construction Drawings April 1, 2008
Beginning of Foundation Work June 2010
Building Reaches Grade December 2011


http://www.wtc.com/about/office-towe...enter-schedule
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Old July 7th, 2011, 01:59 AM   #732
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sweeeet im excited i like how they kept the X bracing on one of the sides of the building. Cant wait to see this baby rise!
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Old July 7th, 2011, 02:07 AM   #733
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Yeah, i think they're taking this one all the way up just look at the comparison between 3wtc schedule and 2wtc

3WTC
Conceptual Design September 6, 2006
Schematic Design March 1, 2007
Design Development July 1, 2007
Foundation Construction January - July 2008
Construction Drawings April 1, 2008
Foundation Work Begins July 2010
Foundation Reaches Grade December 2011
Steel Tops Out Winter 2013
Curtainwall Enclosure Summer 2014
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2WTC
Conceptual Design September 6, 2006
Schematic Design March 1, 2007
Design Development July 1, 2007
Foundation Construction July - December 2008
Construction Drawings April 1, 2008
Beginning of Foundation Work June 2010
Building Reaches Grade December 2011


http://www.wtc.com/about/office-towe...enter-schedule
Big deal. You guys act like this is the first timeline ever released. They said the WTC would be finished this year back in 2005 or so.

Silverstein MUST have an anchor tenant first. If he wants the $600 million in public financing he needs a tenant first. Until a company like UBS signs on the dotted line, nothing is definite.

The prospects are very good of getting a tenant though. But wait till someone actually signs a lease first.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 03:22 AM   #734
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Old July 7th, 2011, 03:37 AM   #735
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I mean no offense to anyone when I say this. I understand that 2 and 3WTC need anchor tenants before they'll go above grade. But my question is WHY?

I thought Lower Manhattan "desperately needs the space?"

Why can't the city just let Silverstein build the damn towers? People will come if you build it. Especially to this place.

Sure, some companies might be scared off because of what happened here. But I'm sure many people would come here after they see the building rising in the sky and they'll say "I want to work there!"
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Old July 7th, 2011, 04:10 AM   #736
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I mean no offense to anyone when I say this. I understand that 2 and 3WTC need anchor tenants before they'll go above grade. But my question is WHY?

I thought Lower Manhattan "desperately needs the space?"

Why can't the city just let Silverstein build the damn towers?
People will come if you build it. Especially to this place.

Sure, some companies might be scared off because of what happened here. But I'm sure many people would come here after they see the building rising in the sky and they'll say "I want to work there!"
The city wants the towers built. But Silverstein doesn't have the money to build all of them. The Port Authority, City of NY, and State of NY each pledged $200 million in financing for 3WTC's construction under the condition that he secure at least a 400,000 square foot anchor tenant. That way they know there is at least the chance of the loans being paid back.

While its true NYC has a dearth of modern office space. Its another matter finding companies willing to make the move. The office space build outs are the responsibility of the tenants. Building out hundreds of thousands of square feet of office space isn't cheap. There are lots of companies on the move in NY. There always are. But there are plenty that just stay put.

2, 3, and even 5WTC will get built. But its foolish to just proclaim they will be because a construction timeline shows up on a website. They've set other timelines before, they weren't even close. Even the PA's much heralded timeline from October 2008 is all rubbish today. Wait till a tenant signs onto to 3WTC first before you go believing everything is A-OK.
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Oh okay. Thank you for clearing everything up for me.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 01:17 PM   #738
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UGHHHHH..... why do they make everything look so lame? Why get rid of the cross-bracing??? it was pretty much what set the building apart from most others in the WTC complex...
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Old July 7th, 2011, 01:52 PM   #739
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I think NY should have financed only 1WTC and 2WTC. They should have made sure they get built simultaneously and they should have left Larry to finance the other towers. After all, that's what developers do on other projects. From what I know it's rare to get support from the government when building towers.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 11:02 PM   #740
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Hmmm... can't be just a coincidence.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...906022760.html

"...Calstrs sold its 65% stake in 120 Broadway, known as the Equitable Building, to UBS Realty Investors for around $341 million"

... "Developer Larry Silverstein, known for his plans to develop three buildings at the World Trade Center site, retains a 35% stake in and manages 120 Broadway."


*For those who don't know, 120 Broadway is just a stones throw away from the WTC site.
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