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Old July 27th, 2011, 01:34 PM   #921
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I don't care about the height reduction (which is hardly noticable), but about the removed cross beams.
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Old July 27th, 2011, 05:20 PM   #922
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There is no height reduction. The developer's website, www.wtc.com, states that it will be 1,170 feet tall. The website shows the new rendering of 3WTC and is up-to-date.
You're half right. The building is going to be 1,170 feet tall to the pinnacle, but that is a reduction from the previous height of 1,240 feet to the pinnacle. One office floor and two mechanical floors have been removed.

The confusion comes from the fact that, up until the most recent update, the website was going by roof heights. 2WTC was listed as 1,270 feet (plus and 80 foot "antenna" that's actually a spire), 3WTC was listed as 1,155 feet, which was the top of the parapet. Now they're using proper measurements and listing 2WTC at the proper 1,350 feet. At the same time, they're updating 3WTC to the new design at the reduced height of 1,170.

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Has the height reduction been confirmed yet or is it just speculation?
The only thing confirmed is that the official site states that the building will have 53 office floors, when it used to say 54. The official renders also show a different floor plan. In essence, these are the floors that have been removed:

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Old July 27th, 2011, 05:25 PM   #923
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cooooooooooool. nice job, STR!
More like sooo totally realistic!
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Old July 27th, 2011, 10:19 PM   #924
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Awesome job STR

But I'm really mad at Larry. With this height reduction 3WTC is indeed indistinguishable from 4WTC. They look like one building

Btw, I hope SSP diagrams will be updated with this design change. I love to visit them
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Old July 27th, 2011, 10:26 PM   #925
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Hmm in context with the surrounding buildings that height reduction is pretty noticeable
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Old July 27th, 2011, 11:09 PM   #926
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Awesome job STR

But I'm really mad at Larry. With this height reduction 3WTC is indeed indistinguishable from 4WTC. They look like one building

Btw, I hope SSP diagrams will be updated with this design change. I love to visit them
I'd rather it look like 4WTC than a hole in the ground. Not that it looks like either of those.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 12:20 AM   #927
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Awesome job STR

But I'm really mad at Larry. With this height reduction 3WTC is indeed indistinguishable from 4WTC. They look like one building

Btw, I hope SSP diagrams will be updated with this design change. I love to visit them
If you don't like what Larry's doing. Why don't you give him, the money so he doesn't have to cut corners.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 12:25 AM   #928
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Sorry to rehash my point, but I think it would be less expensive to use the cross-bracing. At least it used to be in the past. It's a much more efficient design - the drawback is that some offices have a diagonal bar running through them. I'm curious to see if he is so worried about money why he would have left them out?
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Old July 28th, 2011, 12:45 AM   #929
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^Yes, braced tubes are structurally more efficient, and the previous design almost certainly used less structural steel and concrete. However, the extra frame and column pieces also more lifts, and therefore more labor costs.

So one approach saves steel, the other saves man-hours. In New York, the latter is much more expensive than the former.
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^

Thanks so much for your help! I really appreciated the answer. (I'm a structural engineering student, hahaha)

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Old July 30th, 2011, 05:56 AM   #931
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Awesome job STR

But I'm really mad at Larry. With this height reduction 3WTC is indeed indistinguishable from 4WTC. They look like one building

Btw, I hope SSP diagrams will be updated with this design change. I love to visit them
There is no official proof of any height reduction...
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Old July 30th, 2011, 03:53 PM   #932
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UBS Is Said to End Negotiations on Moving to New York’s World Trade Center
By David M. Levitt and Christine Harper - Jul 29, 2011 5:39 PM GMT-050
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Switzerland’s biggest lender, is no longer in negotiations to lease space at lower Manhattan’s World Trade Center, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.
The company called off talks yesterday, said the person, who asked not to be named because the discussions were private. UBS had been considering a plan to move the staff of its U.S. investment bank unit from Stamford, Connecticut, to the site, a person with direct knowledge of the matter said in June.
“UBS has been conducting a review of its real estate requirements in the tri-state area,” the Zurich-based bank said in an e-mailed statement today. “Part of this review involved discussions with World Trade Center management in downtown Manhattan. These discussions have been productive, but we are focused on Midtown alternatives at the present time.”
The decision takes away a leading candidate to anchor 3 World Trade Center, one of three office towers planned by developer Larry Silverstein along the eastern side of the 16- acre (6-hectare) trade center site. It was prompted in part by the bank’s 49 percent drop in second-quarter net income, led by a slump in investment-bank earnings, two people familiar with the situation said.

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The Midtown options don’t involve any other skyscraper developments, eliminating Related Co.’s Hudson Yards site, Brookfield Properties Corp. (BPO)’s Manhattan West and Vornado Realty Trust (VNO)’s Hotel Pennsylvania sites, said the people, who declined to be identified because the talks are private.
Christiaan Brakman, a UBS spokesman based in New York, declined to comment beyond the statement.
The called-off discussions were reported by Reuters earlier today.
UBS’s withdrawal won’t negatively affect the outlook for leasing Trade Center offices, said Bud Perrone, a Silverstein spokesman.
“It’s unfortunate that UBS has been forced to re-evaluate its real estate strategy,” Perrone said in an e-mailed statement. “They are a great company and a big factor in the city’s economy.”
UBS leases more than 3 million square feet of office space for various operations in the New York, New Jersey and Connecticut region, Torie von Alt, a spokeswoman, said in June.
To contact the reporters on this story: David M. Levitt in New York at [email protected]; Christine Harper in New York at [email protected]
Simple as that.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 03:57 PM   #933
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UBS Ditches WTC Move Deal dropped due to bank's shaky finances

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The new World Trade Center site is now down one tenant. UBS confirmed that it will not be moving into the new development despite “advanced talks” between the bank and site developers. The decision comes in light of the company’s renewed efforts to cut costs.
The broken deal had little to do with the ongoing negotiation process, according to reports in the New York Post. Rather, the source said the deal was abandoned due to uncertainty about the degree to which UBS will contract in the near future.
A spokesperson from the bank said the company, which is currently based in Stamford, Connecticut, is reviewing all of its real estate in the tri-state area. “Part of this review involved discussions with World Trade Center management in downtown Manhattan,” the spokesperson said. “These discussions have been productive, but we are focused on midtown alternatives at the present time."
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Old July 30th, 2011, 04:09 PM   #934
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Simple as that.
Oh well. I was excited early when I heard the news about UBS looking at 3WTC. But as always, you gotta wait till someone signs on the dotted line before you get too excited.

This tower has until May of next year before a decision to go higher than the podium. Let's just keep our fingers crossed.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 04:28 PM   #935
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^A matter of time, I guess..

Oops, forgot to bold this line:

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Old July 30th, 2011, 04:37 PM   #936
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They took the external crossbar out!?

WHYYYY

Omg it used to look so cyberpunk before...I don't think I like this new building oh well, there's still One and 2WTC
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Old July 30th, 2011, 06:08 PM   #937
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Old July 30th, 2011, 06:12 PM   #938
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the qestion is not what kind of the Third WTC looks, the qestion stand about it's Hight-China makes 500+meters buildings like pampkings,and what about the USA?
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Old July 30th, 2011, 06:44 PM   #939
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the qestion is not what kind of the Third WTC looks, the qestion stand about it's Hight-China makes 500+meters buildings like pampkings,and what about the USA?
Simple, if you dont have the need for them, you dont build em.
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