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Old August 31st, 2011, 12:00 PM   #1021
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Thanks for the info

Btw, I think this main roof should be used as roof height, not the roof of the upper observation deck
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Old September 1st, 2011, 01:27 AM   #1022
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Thanks for the info

Btw, I think this main roof should be used as roof height, not the roof of the upper observation deck
And this is why the roof height category was removed.
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Old September 1st, 2011, 01:32 AM   #1023
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Yeah it's pretty retarded. Why would you measure to some arbitrarily defined roof when there could still be hundreds of feet of substantial structure above it?

Where is Burj Khalifa's roof, huh?
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Old September 1st, 2011, 01:49 AM   #1024
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^There's a lot of arbitrary crap when it comes to buildings. When Boeing lists the length of a 747, they include every single tiny detail, because if they give wrong info or insist that "Something shouldn't count" you're going to end up in a situation where someone tries to fit the plane into an area too small and something expensive gets snapped off.

Same with ships. They include everything for the same reasons. The FAA doesn't go by roof height, because they have the opposite problem of things running into the building. Anyone that tries to pretend that something doesn't exist is being delusional. A spire is not all that different from an antenna. A building often has multiple roofs. Just add up everything on the building like everyone else does.

It all counts, because it's all there. The only time it doesn't count is when something gets physically removed.
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Old September 1st, 2011, 03:32 AM   #1025
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And this is why the roof height category was removed.
More like the category was removed because it is nearly impossible to define exactly. However I still find it more meaningful, despite the fact that exact numbers can't be agreed upon for every building. Spire height is interesting, but in my opinion, less of a measure of the true magnitude of a building. Case in point, BoA. It is definately impressive, but the spire height gives a false impression of imposing height when compared against spireless buildings.

Thus... let's all just agree to be interested in different things and not get too worked up when comparisons are posted that we don't personally find interesting. That goes for the spire mongers and for the roof height bickering purists.
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Old September 1st, 2011, 03:58 AM   #1026
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^There's a lot of arbitrary crap when it comes to buildings. When Boeing lists the length of a 747, they include every single tiny detail, because if they give wrong info or insist that "Something shouldn't count" you're going to end up in a situation where someone tries to fit the plane into an area too small and something expensive gets snapped off.

Same with ships. They include everything for the same reasons. The FAA doesn't go by roof height, because they have the opposite problem of things running into the building. Anyone that tries to pretend that something doesn't exist is being delusional. A spire is not all that different from an antenna. A building often has multiple roofs. Just add up everything on the building like everyone else does.

It all counts, because it's all there. The only time it doesn't count is when something gets physically removed.
Well said STR. Maybe this will actually help it sink in now for some. If it doesn't, then...
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Old September 2nd, 2011, 10:02 AM   #1027
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WTC Tower 3 architect calls for push on stalled scheme
British architect says developer Silverstein must secure private financing



02 September 2011
By Emily Wright and Will Hur

The British architect behind one of the four major skyscrapers planned at New York’s Ground Zero has described as a “crying shame” news that plans for the tower have stalled, a decade on from the 9/11 attacks.

Richard Paul, director at Rogers Stirk Harbour + Partners, was responding to developer Larry Silverstein’s admission that the firm’s long-delayed World Trade Center Tower 3 - the third tallest skyscraper on the World Trade Center site - will not be built above seven storeys without further private financing.

“It’s a crying shame that the current financial downturn we are all suffering through has resulted in such a problem getting major corporate tenants into the space,” said Paul. “What Larry needs to do now is really up the leasing on the site to make sure we can keep the development of the tower going.

I know he, along with his team, are 100% behind this. There is an agreement with the port authority to get a certain percentage of the tower, around 400,000ft2, leased. Whether or not this can be achieved will be determined in part by the market. But one way or another, it’s very important that he [Silverstein] secures a tenant.”
http://www.building.co.uk/buildings/...023719.article
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 02:27 AM   #1028
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they will build it and they will get a tenant, its the World Trade Center, its sacred ground, it will happen, if it doesnt then the city should be ashamed!!
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 02:50 AM   #1029
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Dont blame the city, blame the world economy. So many nice projects were stalled or cancelled because of the downturn.
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Old September 4th, 2011, 12:46 PM   #1030
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True. You can't just build the WTC towers all at once. Too costly and without tenants no way to make profit.
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Old September 4th, 2011, 01:47 PM   #1031
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They will all be up eventually.
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Old September 4th, 2011, 06:48 PM   #1032
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I'm just glad that the core of the new complex, 1WTC is being built now. With the rest they can wait 'til economy gets better
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Old September 4th, 2011, 08:09 PM   #1033
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I don't get why people always act like the other buildings aren't important. 1WTC isn't gonna be an icon by itself when there's three supertalls right next to it (I know 4 isn't supertall, but it's easier then saying 2 supertalls and one almost-supertall). The new WTC will become icons together.

They all have their unique personality and appearance and the general public will end up having favorites, and for many of them, it won't be 1WTC. They might even ask why 1 gets to be be itself while the others form a line. Yes 1WTC is the "leader" or "big brother", but without 2, 3 and 4WTC, there is no show.
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Old September 4th, 2011, 10:08 PM   #1034
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Why people act like the other buildings aren't important? Because of the same reason why nearly everybody arround the world knows about Obama or Bush but nearly nobody knows about Biden or Cheney. The no.1 is what draws attention, no.2, no.3, no.4 etc. are just background. To put it simple I will quote ABBA: "The winner takes it all!"
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Old September 5th, 2011, 07:26 PM   #1035
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Just to let you guys know, form work for the core is above the street level and it can be seen above the fence..
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Old September 5th, 2011, 07:36 PM   #1036
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Thanks, that's really good news
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Old September 5th, 2011, 09:53 PM   #1037
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Just to let you guys know, form work for the core is above the street level and it can be seen above the fence..
Any pics?
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Huge renders..Can't post them because it's too big for the site..

http://www.wtc.com/news/wtc-renderings
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Why people act like the other buildings aren't important? Because of the same reason why nearly everybody arround the world knows about Obama or Bush but nearly nobody knows about Biden or Cheney. The no.1 is what draws attention, no.2, no.3, no.4 etc. are just background. To put it simple I will quote ABBA: "The winner takes it all!"
It's meant to be a COMPLEX. The whole site will be known around the world. The reason why Biden or Cheney aren't know around the world cause they aren't influential to the world and aren't leaders of one of the biggest countries in the world. Same way as how the lead singer is known better then the others in a band.
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