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Old July 8th, 2012, 04:01 AM   #1701
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Again, read the NYPD pdf. Those streets will be closed, and separated from general traffic with bollards.

If the NYPD didn't think tower 2, 3 and 4 were bomb targets they wouldn't have a permitter around the whole WTC site, they would just have a perimeter around Tower 1.

The whole site is being treated as a target, that's just not debatable.
No they won't be closed. From the NYPD report page 10:

Additionally, the Trinity Place/Church Street corridor1 would be divided by a raised median with bollards, from Cedar Street to just north of Vesey Street. It is anticipated that to the east of the median the street would remain open to general traffic with two northbound moving lanes, while two additional moving lanes to the west of the median would be located within the security perimeter and would be accessible only to screened vehicles.

Only two lanes would be closed off. That just pushes cars and trucks a further 25 feet away which is not much.

Compare that with WTC 1 which has a fully concrete enclosed lobby AND the streets are ENTIRELY closed off to normal traffic.

Clearly they are protecting WTC1 much more than the other buildings.
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Old July 8th, 2012, 04:11 AM   #1702
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Right but you admit they are protecting all the buildings and the whole site. So there ya go. You answered your own question.
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Old July 8th, 2012, 04:40 AM   #1703
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This conversation makes me want to headbutt a concrete bollard...

Of course they are protecting 1WTC "more"...it is the most iconic. As has been referenced here, the remaining towers, transit hub, memorial, streets, trees, and pigeons are not without protective strategy as well. Frankly, I am happy that they don't all have bunker-like bases. We can't make the place a bunker of fear...it has to dare to shine the inspiration of rebuilding while maintaining the reverence of the memorial.
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Old July 8th, 2012, 05:20 AM   #1704
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Sorry for the poor quality but you can see that inside there are molds for pouring concrete. This interior work could be what is slowing down the rise of the core.

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Old July 8th, 2012, 06:04 AM   #1705
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Again, read the NYPD pdf. Those streets will be closed, and separated from general traffic with bollards.

If the NYPD didn't think tower 2, 3 and 4 were bomb targets they wouldn't have a permitter around the whole WTC site, they would just have a perimeter around Tower 1.

The whole site is being treated as a target, that's just not debatable.
I'll read the pdf, but i think your missing my point. If this entire site, is going to be protected , then why is tower 1 getting such a bomb proof base?
All the other towers don't have concrete to protect their base with the exception of the core, but tower 1 has a blast wall, and 60 story concrete .
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Old July 8th, 2012, 06:27 AM   #1706
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Has WTC 3 been given the green light as of yet for full construction?
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Old July 8th, 2012, 06:50 AM   #1707
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Has WTC 3 been given the green light as of yet for full construction?
Well David Zalesne, the president of Owen steel confirmed that his company will make 27,000 tons of steel, which is enough to build this tower.
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Old July 8th, 2012, 07:04 AM   #1708
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Fabricating the steel and erecting it are two different things though. There's more to building a skyscraper than just having the steel.

I think folks are getting ahead of themselves.
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Old July 8th, 2012, 02:23 PM   #1709
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Sweet update Dan.
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Old July 8th, 2012, 06:13 PM   #1710
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Fabricating the steel and erecting it are two different things though. There's more to building a skyscraper than just having the steel.

I think folks are getting ahead of themselves.
I agree. In some suburban Chicago warehouse sits the entire curtain wall for the defunct Waterview Tower, which halted construction in summer 2008. Work here seems to be progressing far slower than if they intend to finish without a pause. And I don't see any sign of a tower crane in the recent photos.
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It's so funny I was in the 1WTC thread and just had to stare at the last photo you posted of the completed wtc. Then I got over it and decided to click on the 3WTC thread to check out the progress. I came across your photo again and had to stare at it all over again for a few minutes. hahaha
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I agree. In some suburban Chicago warehouse sits the entire curtain wall for the defunct Waterview Tower, which halted construction in summer 2008. Work here seems to be progressing far slower than if they intend to finish without a pause. And I don't see any sign of a tower crane in the recent photos.
This has 2 tower cranes on it currently.

It is going about the normal pace of what tower proceed at during construction of the base. It is only once they get to the office floors that are all the same that they pick up the speed and climb at about 1 floor per week.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 10:26 AM   #1714
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Old July 9th, 2012, 03:16 PM   #1715
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Looks like the crane is ready to grow with the building.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 07:06 PM   #1717
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Does anyone know when this will be visible in the NYC skyline?
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Old July 9th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #1718
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It will be visible last week ago after which what they will do it on before it.
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Old July 9th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #1719
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It will be visible last week ago after which what they will do it on before it.
...??? What? Im sorry, But you worded that really oddly :p Do you mind re wording that a bit....
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Old July 9th, 2012, 09:45 PM   #1720
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Just messing with you.
For now, I have no idea when it will be visible, but we'll see once the steel truly gets going
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