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Old August 3rd, 2012, 10:39 PM   #1861
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At least the new one looks better. Design is more important than height.

But height is still good.
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 11:00 PM   #1862
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I wonder if the cladding was going to be as different as it looks on the original. Can somebody tell me why the height suffered a 100 foot reduction do to the redesign? And how did the architect not see this to begin with? I'll be so disappointed if they do anything to 2wtc even if it might won't get built for a while
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Old August 4th, 2012, 12:50 AM   #1863
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The answer to your question was answered several times on the previous page. Look through the thread a bit before asking questions, it gets repetitive to have a handful of people ask the same question within 10 posts of each other.
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Old August 4th, 2012, 01:15 AM   #1864
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The answer to your question was answered several times on the previous page. Look through the thread a bit before asking questions, it gets repetitive to have a handful of people ask the same question within 10 posts of each other.
I'm an active follower of this thread and it says why it was changed but I'd doesnt say why that caused a height difference. Also it says nothing about the cladding
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Old August 4th, 2012, 01:53 AM   #1865
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Congrats on the following. The reason for the design change and the reason for the height change are the same. These buildings were designed in a very different economy. As for the cladding, there hasn't been any indication that it has changed, along with the design. It's still vying for a LEED Certification, so it's doubtful it's changed. I'd expect something high quality, 4 WTC is a Silverstein building and has some of the best glass anywhere.
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Old August 4th, 2012, 01:57 AM   #1866
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Do you know why the earlier rendering on the original picture is more gray ten blue and reflective? We're they not sure what it would look like?
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Old August 4th, 2012, 02:38 AM   #1867
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I guess it's possible they changed the type of cladding they planned on using, but there's no indication that that's happened. Generally comparing renderings, especially for cladding, is not going to be a very accurate way of predicting what it will look like. There could be a number of different things affecting the perception of the glass within the rendering, that isn't the actual glass at all but something else within the computer render, if that makes sense. So if you look through the Silverstein website at their renderings for 4 WTC the glass looks tinted or something, but it really looks nothing like the actual curtain wall.

For this tower I'd expect something like 4 WTC's glass, another Silverstein building, highly reflective, and very high quality. Silverstein has until the end of next year before suspending all the work on this tower and officially putting it on hold, which is plenty of time to get a tenant, so we'll see the cladding soon enough.
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Old August 4th, 2012, 02:45 AM   #1868
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Old August 4th, 2012, 06:16 AM   #1869
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the Podium's coming along nicely.

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Old August 4th, 2012, 06:59 AM   #1870
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Is the 8 stories they will build include the podium? If so how many stories is the podium?
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Old August 4th, 2012, 04:37 PM   #1871
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The podium is nine stories tall, but they're building only eight of them.
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Old August 5th, 2012, 01:24 AM   #1872
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The podium is nine stories tall, but they're building only eight of them.
That's silly. Why aren't they building the WHOLE podium??
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Old August 5th, 2012, 01:57 AM   #1873
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I saw some partially built buildings that left one floor of core above the rest of the structure, probably to speed things up once construction starts again.
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Old August 7th, 2012, 06:44 PM   #1874
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Bad news; it looks like they are removing the forms on the 'Oculus' Earthcam starting at the north-east corner of the core. They have already removed one vertical panel on the inside of the core and a laid it down on the core slab. The horizontal wood panels have already been removed from the entire corner and the vertical panels on the inner face of the perimeter core wall there are leaning inward. It looks like this is it for the core.

On a happier note. Let the Eastern steel commence! Hopefully they get the new crane set up this weekend and we see steel go up as fast on that side as the west side did.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 01:23 AM   #1875
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Bad news; it looks like they are removing the forms on the 'Oculus' Earthcam starting at the north-east corner of the core. They have already removed one vertical panel on the inside of the core and a laid it down on the core slab. The horizontal wood panels have already been removed from the entire corner and the vertical panels on the inner face of the perimeter core wall there are leaning inward. It looks like this is it for the core.

On a happier note. Let the Eastern steel commence! Hopefully they get the new crane set up this weekend and we see steel go up as fast on that side as the west side did.
Let's stay positive...maybe this was as high the SOLID core was supposed to go anyway. Remember, 1WTC transitioned from a solid concrete core to one with steel AND concrete at a low level, too. Besides, this tower WILL be built, sooner or later, hopefully sooner.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 04:09 AM   #1876
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Lowermanhattan.info now reports a tower crane will be installed Aug 25-26.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 05:45 AM   #1877
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^Tower crane will be used to erect the podium.

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Let's stay positive...maybe this was as high the SOLID core was supposed to go anyway. Remember, 1WTC transitioned from a solid concrete core to one with steel AND concrete at a low level, too. Besides, this tower WILL be built, sooner or later, hopefully sooner.
Unlike One and Four this will be a core first building.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 01:49 PM   #1878
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Why? Wasn't the steel first approach supposed to be stronger?
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Old August 8th, 2012, 01:53 PM   #1879
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Not necessarily. I think that in WTC3, the core has relatively more loadbaring capacity than in WTC1?
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Old August 8th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #1880
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I could be wrong, but iirc the core of 1WTC was supposed to be thicker than the cores of the other towers?
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