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Old August 9th, 2012, 12:45 AM   #1881
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I could be wrong, but iirc the core of 1WTC was supposed to be thicker than the cores of the other towers?
I believe you are correct, Kanto.
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Old August 9th, 2012, 11:34 PM   #1882
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Why? Wasn't the steel first approach supposed to be stronger?
just an alternative method.

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Old August 10th, 2012, 02:37 AM   #1883
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Old August 10th, 2012, 03:24 AM   #1884
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ugh.

look at bevels on that box beam.. full pen welds on all side.
you can see that when you use the core first method, the concrete contractor is required to set the steel embed plates in the forms before the concrete is poured. (see the shear tabs sticking out). This requires a considerable amount of survey before erecting more steel. However, it does make plumbing the building much easier because you are working off on a rigid structure.
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Old August 10th, 2012, 09:20 AM   #1885
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Even if this does go on hold, at least there will be good progress beforehand!
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Old August 10th, 2012, 01:33 PM   #1886
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At least there will be an occupied and functional building and not just the stump of WTC2.
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Old August 10th, 2012, 09:53 PM   #1887
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At least there will be an occupied and functional building and not just the stump of WTC2.
True. I still don't understand why 2WTC could not be built out to Podium height as well. It would have been far more preferrable to the non-complete eyesore of a stump structure that it is now and besides, wasn't that the original plan, anyway?
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Old August 11th, 2012, 04:42 AM   #1888
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Once the funding and tennats are found, how do they plan on keeping the podium open while building the tower?
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Old August 11th, 2012, 05:33 AM   #1889
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So, will WTC 3 be done to the point that is just right before it rises? And when it does resume, it will rise fairly quickly?
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Old August 11th, 2012, 05:59 AM   #1890
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Once the funding and tennats are found, how do they plan on keeping the podium open while building the tower?
The below grade retail spaces can probably remain open. But any tenants in the above ground podium will probably have to vacate. The tenants will likely have special clauses in their leases to compensate them if that should happen.
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Old August 11th, 2012, 02:21 PM   #1891
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That sounds like a lot of money will get lost for Larry. According to that it doesn't make sense to me to build the podium if they don't wanna continue to the top. From what I understand efficient is to either build a stump, the full tower or don't build anything at all
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Old August 11th, 2012, 04:56 PM   #1892
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That is why it's probably top priority to get a tenant.

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The below grade retail spaces can probably remain open. But any tenants in the above ground podium will probably have to vacate. The tenants will likely have special clauses in their leases to compensate them if that should happen.
Not even with strong safety nets or other protection?
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Old August 11th, 2012, 06:10 PM   #1893
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I seriously doubt any one would want to have a sip of coffee with the sound of construction elevators and tools. I imagine the risk of a dropped load or scaffolding fire like what happened in 4WTC or 1WTC reaching headlines. It could be done safely, but with liabilities and such, I doubt any above ground tenants will stay when construction resumes. All that comes to mind is a store with plywood over the windows, employees dusting clothing every morning, and people tweeting about how it's "so noisy," or "I had to walk all the way from the basement just to buy a souvenir shot glass."
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Old August 11th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #1894
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Not even with strong safety nets or other protection?
No not even with those. Why risk it? We've seen a steel beam fall from 4WTC. I wouldn't want to see children walking around within the radius of steel beams being lifted up a thousand feet in the air.



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Old August 11th, 2012, 10:17 PM   #1895
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the DOB would never allow them to build the tower above an operating podium.

it would also be nearly impossible to do logistically. not just structural work, but MEP, elevators, etc. need a closed site.
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Old August 13th, 2012, 06:43 AM   #1896
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the DOB would never allow them to build the tower above an operating podium.

it would also be nearly impossible to do logistically. not just structural work, but MEP, elevators, etc. need a closed site.

I would guess they would finish tower 2 and when completed they would move tenants from tower 3
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Old August 20th, 2012, 06:28 AM   #1897
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Is this on hold?
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Old August 20th, 2012, 01:59 PM   #1899
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