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Old December 23rd, 2012, 06:32 PM   #2301
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It was designed wrongly because Libeskind's spiral site plan is garbage in my opinion. Nothing will change because the foundations are already laid so all of this talking is just of the "what if it had been instead" speculation kind.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 06:41 PM   #2302
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i like the design how it is, if 2 wtc was taller then 1 wtc i feel that would look weird, and 1 wtc is supposed to be the main tower at the complex, i love 2 wtc so i just want it to be built lol
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 06:47 PM   #2303
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It was designed wrongly because Libeskind's spiral site plan is garbage in my opinion. Nothing will change because the foundations are already laid so all of this talking is just of the "what if it had been instead" speculation kind.
Oh, then let's close again those streets and isolate the site to create some massive things that have no interaction to human life.

Kanto, I think you need to understand that the arrangement Libeskind chose was to follow the idea to bring back the human sense to the project, which was terribly ignored by the Yamasaki team. The descending spiral is a nice gesture of being more integrated to the surroundings (aside from the lady liberty torch concept analogy), which clearly contrasts to the cynical, egotistical and prideful concept of the original trade center.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 07:58 PM   #2304
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The openning of the streets was a good idea, though even with the street grid open as it is now with the new complex the buildings on the site could have been arranged better, so that the taller towers would get a more dominating and iconic feeling. The way they are placed in Libeskind's plan, the spiral is arguably the least dominating and least iconic placement these towers could have on that site.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 08:17 PM   #2305
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It's not necessarily good for towers to be dominating, i think people have a very rose tinted view of the twins quality of architecture.
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Old December 24th, 2012, 12:32 AM   #2306
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Oh, then let's close again those streets and isolate the site to create some massive things that have no interaction to human life.

Kanto, I think you need to understand that the arrangement Libeskind chose was to follow the idea to bring back the human sense to the project, which was terribly ignored by the Yamasaki team. The descending spiral is a nice gesture of being more integrated to the surroundings (aside from the lady liberty torch concept analogy), which clearly contrasts to the cynical, egotistical and prideful concept of the original trade center.
I just don't understand this. The shortest tower is nearly 1000 feet. I don't see how it would make much difference to the pedestrian at street level whether there were two Foster Kissing Towers or the current spiral plan. The only good thing IMO is that the plan incorporates multiple uses in a way that is far more aesthetically pleasing than the original.

The fact that we need to wait probably many years for the most iconic piece of the complex to be built does not help silence the critics who say that this is a boring unimpressive complex and does't have the power of the originals. But yeah, the twins were disgusting ugly buildings and I'm glad they didn't just lazily rebuild them.

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Old December 24th, 2012, 12:37 AM   #2307
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The key is in the podiums, entrance design and streetscape elements. All of the towers incorporate these in a determined way that makes the buildings blend into the streets.
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Old December 24th, 2012, 12:49 PM   #2308
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I just don't understand this. The shortest tower is nearly 1000 feet. I don't see how it would make much difference to the pedestrian at street level whether there were two Foster Kissing Towers or the current spiral plan. The only good thing IMO is that the plan incorporates multiple uses in a way that is far more aesthetically pleasing than the original.

The fact that we need to wait probably many years for the most iconic piece of the complex to be built does not help silence the critics who say that this is a boring unimpressive complex and does't have the power of the originals. But yeah, the twins were disgusting ugly buildings and I'm glad they didn't just lazily rebuild them.
At street level all buildings look virtually the same. It is the skyline view that makes the difference and in the skyline the new complex looks rather shy. Even if we don't take the lack of height into consideration, Libeskind's site plan is horrible. Many better site plans have been proposed for the rebuilding, including the World Cultural Center. What enrages me 'til this day is how it was only due to Pataki's intervention that the World Cultural Center proposal didn't win the competition.
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Old December 25th, 2012, 02:24 AM   #2309
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yeah, the twins were disgusting ugly buildings
I don't agree with this part, but you were pretty much spot on otherwise. Agree to disagree.

In any case, Lower Manhattan will have its peak back, which it sorely needed.

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Old December 25th, 2012, 02:47 AM   #2310
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Same width, pretty much, but it still looks so tiny compared to the old one.
It's width is smaller than the south tower.
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Old December 25th, 2012, 07:03 AM   #2311
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At street level all buildings look virtually the same. It is the skyline view that makes the difference and in the skyline the new complex looks rather shy. Even if we don't take the lack of height into consideration, Libeskind's site plan is horrible. Many better site plans have been proposed for the rebuilding, including the World Cultural Center. What enrages me 'til this day is how it was only due to Pataki's intervention that the World Cultural Center proposal didn't win the competition.
You mean Vinoly skeleton towers proposal? No thanks!
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Old December 25th, 2012, 08:17 AM   #2312
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We must not forget the new complex is more dense than the previous one.
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Old December 25th, 2012, 10:57 AM   #2313
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The surroundings also.
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Old December 26th, 2012, 06:09 AM   #2314
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After looking through all the plans, Foster's plan was the best. I don't know what you see in THINK's proposal, given those bird cages they had.

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Old December 26th, 2012, 02:10 PM   #2315
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In my opinion Foster's was the second best. The best in my opinion was Gardner's
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Old December 26th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #2316
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Shocker there.
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Oh dear, not Foster's rickety-and-about-to-collapse-looking towers!
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Old December 26th, 2012, 09:13 PM   #2318
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His Hermitage designs for La Defense scare me to death. I would not go in those things!
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Actually, those have an interesting design since it looks top-heavy from the fronts, but then bottom-heavy from the sides, since they kinda become inverted from one end to the other. Kinds hard to explain, but this should do it


2WTC looks better than these, though
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Old December 26th, 2012, 09:32 PM   #2320
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Yup, 2WTC looks much better
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