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Old May 11th, 2010, 03:44 PM   #241
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"a very good chance" sounds very optimistic for me. He definitely has a good chance to find enough tenants for Tower 3, but it will be very hard to find enough tenants for both tower 3 and tower 2. Keep in mind that there's still a lot of vacant space in tower 1, too.
it will take some years before 2 and 3WTC reach the streetlevel. till then everything is possible. the market and the economy in general will improve, so i'm quite optimistic that silverstein will find enough tenants. downtown manhattan is experiencing the beginning of a small boom, f.e. lots of people are moving there as residential towers are popping up.
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Old May 11th, 2010, 10:57 PM   #242
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That's exciting news!!! I was afraid it might never get built... Glad it will be built soon!
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Old May 12th, 2010, 01:56 AM   #243
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That's great news indeed, 2 WTC is to me the most beautiful tower of all (but they're all nice though), I really look forward to seeing it take shape .
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Old May 12th, 2010, 03:40 AM   #244
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1 WTC: 1966–1972
2 WTC: 1966–1973
3 WTC: 1980–1981
4, 5, & 6 WTC: 1975–1979
7 WTC: 1985–1987
I bet eventually the new towers will be built.
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Old May 12th, 2010, 04:50 AM   #245
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the other towers were planed later much later unlike this project
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Old May 15th, 2010, 01:38 PM   #246
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What does being built 'up to grade' mean? Is it up to ground level?
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Old May 15th, 2010, 01:55 PM   #247
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What does being built 'up to grade' mean? Is it up to ground level?
yes, and as Uaarkson explained, this means the completion of the lower levels. after that there are two possibilities:

- silverstein finds enough tenants to move in, i.e. he has to "lease a minimum amount of space", as stated in the article. he has about ~ 2 years to do so. if he succeeds, then 2WTC will be built to its full height.

- silverstein can't find enough tenants - 2WTC becomes a retail stump.
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Old May 16th, 2010, 12:18 AM   #248
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yes, and as Uaarkson explained, this means the completion of the lower levels. after that there are two possibilities:

- silverstein finds enough tenants to move in, i.e. he has to "lease a minimum amount of space", as stated in the article. he has about ~ 2 years to do so. if he succeeds, then 2WTC will be built to its full height.

- silverstein can't find enough tenants - 2WTC becomes a retail stump.
2WTC would be a retail stump for a maximum of five years. Within that time, there will be demand for this tower.
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Old May 16th, 2010, 02:57 AM   #249
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yes, and as Uaarkson explained, this means the completion of the lower levels. after that there are two possibilities:

- silverstein finds enough tenants to move in, i.e. he has to "lease a minimum amount of space", as stated in the article. he has about ~ 2 years to do so. if he succeeds, then 2WTC will be built to its full height.

- silverstein can't find enough tenants - 2WTC becomes a retail stump.
I think you're referring to 3WTC. 2WTC can wait. Silverstein needs to fill up 7, 4, and then 3WTC. Their is no hurry. They'll all be built. They don't have to all finish at once.
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Old May 16th, 2010, 01:31 PM   #250
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When did they say they'd start contructing this tower?
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Old May 16th, 2010, 02:27 PM   #251
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I think you're referring to 3WTC. 2WTC can wait. Silverstein needs to fill up 7, 4, and then 3WTC. Their is no hurry. They'll all be built. They don't have to all finish at once.
yes, somehow i bumped into the wrong thread lol. it was late ... i thought i was writing 3WTC instead of 2WTC ...
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Old May 19th, 2010, 02:16 AM   #252
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A small update from wtcprogress.com

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pr...adLine_id=1282

"Authorized the Executive Director to reimburse Silverstein Properties Inc., up to $2.8 million for certain early-action design and construction work required to bring the World Trade Center Tower 2 site to grade."
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Old June 2nd, 2010, 06:36 PM   #253
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Question (and only slightly off-topic): why does it take so long for NYC projects of this nature to get done? I'm looking at the WTC, the 2nd Avenue subway and new Penn Station, and thinking should it really take 10+ years for these things to get done?

(hell, some cathedrals were built in less time than the subway is taking!)

Dubai built a 2600+ foot tall building and Boeing is building not one, but TWO state of the art jetliners (with 2+ years of delay no less), in less time than it is taking to get these projects off the ground.

Am I being naive, or shouldn't the Mayor be busting heads, politically speaking, to make sure these things get done?

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Old June 2nd, 2010, 06:53 PM   #254
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Am I being naive
Yes. There are reasons for everything you are complaining about, if you'd take the time to research them. The logistics, politics, financing, public involvement, cleanup efforts, design, and safety of the WTC site eclipse any project going on in Dubai. Building a 2600 ft. needle in the desert does not compare.

I mean for god's sake, this shit gets explained on every other page of this thread and every other WTC redevelopment thread.

Why don't you go take a look at the hundreds of other NYC projects from this past decade that have started and finished in 3 years or less?
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Imo the general problem e.g. of the WTC development was, that everyone wanted to play the boss. To many people were involved, too much complainings from every side, here the port authority was the worst one. Who was acting against the progress of this particular project instead for it.

Dubai had a few years ago virtually just a few building laws. Everything was approved, unlike NYC were some groups, agencies, city departments, neighboors and of course the Nimbys hinderness progress.

You can't compare building a jetliner with the construction of a subway. The jetliner is beeing built in a large factory hall, while a subway e.g. has to deal with the underground infrastructural circumstances under NYC's streets and so on.

There are also projects in NYC which progress rapidly e.g. tower 111, 440 42nd street, the Setai, the Eventi Hotel, Beekman place. All buildings that had normal to fast construction speed.

So you see, it's hard to compare the construction of buildings and infrastructure, with skyscrapers in Dubai or jetliners by Boeing.

I hope i could help you and noone mind my offtopic post.
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Question (and only slightly off-topic): why does it take so long for NYC projects of this nature to get done? I'm looking at the WTC, the 2nd Avenue subway and new Penn Station, and thinking should it really take 10+ years for these things to get done?
Two words answer your question:
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Old June 9th, 2010, 06:53 PM   #257
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are they starting work on tower 2 because digging has begun in the middle of the plot for tower 2 not on the west side where they are removing dirt but in the middle. Can barely be seen in the hd camera but can be better seen on cam 3
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Old June 11th, 2010, 02:31 PM   #258
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yes.

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/const...wer_49193.aspx

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*The following information was last updated on June 10, 2010

* SPI began foundation work at the T2 site on June 1, 2010. It is expected to be complete to grade appx. December 2011.
* Port Authority crews are performing utility work as needed around the site and at the adjacent WTC Transportation Hub site
* The Port Authority completed T2 site preparations for Silverstein Properties in August 2009.
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Old June 12th, 2010, 02:34 AM   #259
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It'd be nice to get some pictures of the site. If we could see proof of it, then we should move to u/c forum.
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Old June 13th, 2010, 09:12 PM   #260
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Take a look at earthcam's #3 cam. I think this should be moved to U/C.
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