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Old June 28th, 2010, 07:16 PM   #321
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What's this about an 80 foot antenna (see post 295)? No antenna seems visible on the renders.
Silverstein may have an antenna deal worked out but if it isn't contiguous with the tower's design and is just stuck on, it won't count towards the tower's height. New renders?? Also, that "79 floors" statement is questionable because developers are notorious for manipulating floor counts (see Donald Trump). I would go with the DOB permit for now...
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Old June 28th, 2010, 07:32 PM   #322
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Silverstein may have an antenna deal worked out but if it isn't contiguous with the tower's design and is just stuck on, it won't count towards the tower's height. New renders?? Also, that "79 floors" statement is questionable because developers are notorious for manipulating floor counts (see Donald Trump). I would go with the DOB permit for now...
hmm, CTBUH also says 411m and 79 floors: http://buildingdb.ctbuh.org/index.ph...uilding_id=209

can you post the DOB link please, somehow it seems i'm not able to find it lol. i know the adress, but it always says "NOT A VALID ADDRESS"...

see here: http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Pr...O+&requestid=0
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Old June 28th, 2010, 07:46 PM   #323
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from http://www.silversteinproperties.com...ding-features:

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Building Features & Design

Owner, developer, & management company Silverstein Properties
Architect Foster + Partners
Location Bound by Greenwich, Church, Vesey, and Fulton Streets, north of the transportation hub
Size 2.3 million gsf office area
(2.7 million rsf)
Height 1,270ft (387m), 80ft (24m) antenna
Floors 60 office floors (beginning at 278 ft)
4 trading floors (total: 219,200sf)
5 retail levels (total: 138,000sf)
11.5 mechanical floors
Floor Plate 40,000sf office floors
66,000sf trading floors
Column-free space
Lobby 65-ft high office lobby
9 entrances (5 from street level, 2 from transportation hub, and 2 from retail complex)
Elevator System Destination Dispatch: Improves lobby traffic flow and limits crowding by directing passengers to assigned cars
Building Systems Central concrete core
Steel encased in reinforced concrete
External structural steel frame
Safety systems exceed building code
Egress Four stairways exit directly outside
Exit stairs 20% wider than required
Stairwells pressurized and smoke-purged
Emergency lighting, glow-in-the-dark paint
Transportation Direct access to 13 subway lines, PATH trains, ferries, and buses
Major improvements to transit systems underway
Neighborhood Amenities City's most attractive waterfront
Acres of park and green space
Renowned Tribeca restaurants
Growing residential community
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Old June 28th, 2010, 08:49 PM   #324
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Excellent awesome thanks for sharing
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Old June 28th, 2010, 09:25 PM   #325
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cool finally they start.congrats NYC!!
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Old June 28th, 2010, 10:03 PM   #326
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Silverstein may have an antenna deal worked out but if it isn't contiguous with the tower's design and is just stuck on, it won't count towards the tower's height. New renders?? Also, that "79 floors" statement is questionable because developers are notorious for manipulating floor counts (see Donald Trump). I would go with the DOB permit for now...
If you look at the renders, the floors only go to around 380-390 metres. the antenna is part of the design and completes the apex of the triangular roof
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Old June 28th, 2010, 10:41 PM   #327
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The building has 78 floors and is 1358 feet (414 meters). Offices go up to 75 and there are 3 mechanical floors.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 11:31 PM   #328
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The top diamond is what their talking about
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Old June 29th, 2010, 04:04 AM   #329
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The top diamond is what their talking about
I know that's what I was talking about too.

The roof is 1278 feet, or 390 meters
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Old June 29th, 2010, 12:20 PM   #330
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If you look at the renders, the floors only go to around 380-390 metres. the antenna is part of the design and completes the apex of the triangular roof
Interesting, I've never seen an antenna shaped like that. I would be better if they done without it though. The top of the 'diamond' should be filled in with glass, to make it look consistent with the other diamonds. I regard it as the only flaw on an otherwise great design.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 07:29 AM   #331
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Interesting, I've never seen an antenna shaped like that. I would be better if they done without it though. The top of the 'diamond' should be filled in with glass, to make it look consistent with the other diamonds. I regard it as the only flaw on an otherwise great design.
No, it was designed that way so it wouldn't cast a shadow on the memorial. They didn't do that to make it look pretty.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 04:32 PM   #332
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2WTC sits in the northeast corner and the shadows (except sunrise) go north during most of the day. Check out Google earth. I don't see any way the angle of the top of the towers would even be close to causing any shadow on the memorial.

4WTC sure will!

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...09624&t=h&z=17

And in 3D

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e....71,0,44.993,0

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Old June 30th, 2010, 05:47 PM   #333
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No, it was designed that way so it wouldn't cast a shadow on the memorial. They didn't do that to make it look pretty.
That has nothing to do with the design. It is designed that way for architectural interest. If they were designing buildings so they didn't cast shadows on the memorial they certainly would have to redesign 4WTC because its location will cast the biggest shadow on the memorial.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:35 AM   #334
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The roof on WTC2 is sloped towards the memorial, it has
nothing to do with shadows.
At one time, the roof of WTC4 also sloped towards the memorial,
but that design was changed.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 05:29 AM   #335
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The diamonds reflect light on to the memorial pools
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I'll believe it when I see it. Unless there is specially angled glass on the roof, no light will be reflected directly onto the memorial.
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that part of the design has been pretty much put to bed but it wasn't a bad idea
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OMG, that would be a cool idea! Design the top of a tower to perfectly light the footprints of the twins on Sept 11 every year.

Or is that too 'Indiana Jones'?

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yes as I said that was the plan just as you said. And on the spire, it's not a antenna and it would make sense to have two so close.
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The roof on WTC2 is sloped towards the memorial, it has
nothing to do with shadows.
At one time, the roof of WTC4 also sloped towards the memorial,
but that design was changed.
Actually in original Libeskind design the idea was that all towers will have sloping roofs towards the memorial. I am not sure what exact meaning Libeskind put into that, but that was an idea. out of all this only this tower still have it in final design.

as for the Wedge of light - this is the feature that should be accommodated not by the design of the towers, but by the opening between the tower 2 and 3. at 9.11 every year at exactly the time when they collapsed the sun should always be in position that it sort of "hits" the memorial exactly between these two towers on top of future Path station.
I am not sure if this will work out, but that's the idea.
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