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Old June 10th, 2015, 06:34 PM   #4141
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Any email address to send the architect a 'friendly message'?
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Old June 10th, 2015, 06:41 PM   #4142
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got to say this is pretty atrocious, however if they rotated it 180 degrees so that the setbacks faced the memorial, i think it would look a bit better.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 06:56 PM   #4143
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I really don't know what to think about this. I try to like it, but there is something about it, which makes it very difficult to say the least.
If it were a design from Foster, Kolhaas or any of the other old star architects, I would have said this kinda makes sense, as I have the impression that over the years, the older they become, the weirder their designs have turned. Somehow I feel like they all just want to create something avantgardistic, no matter if it blends in the existing skyline/surrounding area or not. Starting with that thin tower on Park Avenue and the other similar proposed designs on the edge of Central Park (with one exception namingly the Steinway Tower design which I really like), to Hudson Yards with their weird shaped towers to this redesign of 2 WTC (among other projects in other cities around the world). It seems like the cities have become the playground of some artists who want to erect their own monuments that will serve as memorials to them and even though the current WTC site has nothing to do with what was first presented as the winning design by Libeskind and I prefer the more conservative design, it took me a while until I got along with the final design of 1 WTC or the tower, formerly known as Freedom Tower.
There are really good designs such as the Steinway Tower or the Shanghai Tower which both look really elegant, but it seems like the new designs are either thin and cubic like the ones built and planned for the southside of Central Park or misproportioned or weirdly shaped such as the Hudson Yards towers or the Nordstrom Tower and Vanderbilt Place, which both look okay except for their top parts if you ask me.
I should seriously start thinking about submitting my own designs for the next competitions - seems like a lot of people could present something better than this!
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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:07 PM   #4144
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They removed the spires from 3 WTC because they have shortened the height of 2 WTC.
That makes no sense.

First, they actually increased the height of 2 WTC, at least in terms of distribution of bulk. In the old design the tower essentially stopped at 900 ft., for all practical purposes, with the rest of the height basically a design element.

Second, 3 WTC parapet has been increased, so nothing has been shortened in 3 WTC either. If anything it will now look taller.

Third, 2 WTC and 3 WTC are not similar in height, so these changes aren't likely to have anything to do with relative heights.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:21 PM   #4145
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That makes no sense.

First, they actually increased the height of 2 WTC, at least in terms of distribution of bulk. In the old design the tower essentially stopped at 900 ft., for all practical purposes, with the rest of the height basically a design element.
Um... the old 2WTC's highest office floor alone was over 1100', the diamonds began at 900'. The solid roof was 1225' and the parapet 1270'

They didn't extend the parapet of 3 either although it did look it in that one nighttime rendering. As far as we know it's still 1080 to the roof. (Unless there is an official source stating otherwise of course).
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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:23 PM   #4146
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I remember all the same complaints about 1WTC when it was going up. Boxy. Boring. Cheap. That turned out just fine.
Yes, but 1WTC never had a brilliant design that they scrap to build the current one.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:27 PM   #4147
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World Trade Center design history



World Trade Center 2005:


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World Trade Center 2010:




World Trade Center 2015:

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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:33 PM   #4148
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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:34 PM   #4149
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Yeah there have been some unfortunate changes in design over the years. But if you look at the site as a whole from that last rendering there, it still looks beautiful. In my opinion that is.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:41 PM   #4150
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Oh dear, it looks absolutely terrible between 1 and 3 WTC ......how can anyone design that?
How about this?

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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:45 PM   #4151
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Hahaha It's like they knew all along!

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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:48 PM   #4152
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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:50 PM   #4153
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I had never seen that Rattner rendering before, I like it a lot! 2wtc & 3wtc are just way too close in height in the renderings, especially from afar or at night, or from Brooklyn. That's a visual & design mistake. They blend together too much it's too much of a hodgepodge. It just looks SO generic & bland. They need to scrap the hideous 2wtc design & build a twin of 1wtc, & I really don't care about 3wtc at this point, it's just boring.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:52 PM   #4154
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Honestly I don't know why we would expect differently this pretty much history repeating it self.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 07:58 PM   #4155
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i really love the foster design.

BIGs proposal doesnt appeal to me. its fatness and the idea that its not facing the memorial quite irks me. terraces=BIG
if they could just squeeze it a little and make it taller like wtc1 without the spire. il go for it.

fosters design any given day.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 08:11 PM   #4156
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How is it that everywhere I look everybody loves the tower. We seem to be the only ones to hate it. Every major site and news outlet love it, it's no wonder Bjarke Ingles designs these wannabe revolutionary towers, because everyone tells him they look great.
I figured the one hope we had was a backlash at the design pressuring Silverstein to have it updated or redesigned, but if everyone loves it sadly I don't think anything will stop this monstrosity from going up and plaguing the NYC skyline for over a century,
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Old June 10th, 2015, 08:16 PM   #4157
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I had never seen that Rattner rendering before, I like it a lot! 2wtc & 3wtc are just way too close in height in the renderings, especially from afar or at night, or from Brooklyn. That's a visual & design mistake. They blend together too much it's too much of a hodgepodge. It just looks SO generic & bland. They need to scrap the hideous 2wtc design & build a twin of 1wtc, & I really don't care about 3wtc at this point, it's just boring.
I beg to differ, the Rattner proposal just looks really messy, cheap and not of any practical use at all.
I kind of liked the second Liebeskind rendering but in the end - and I know I might be the only one - I find the current 1WTC design as depicted in the 2010 renders to be the best of all. Just one question I seem to have missed:

What was the reason for them not to clad to whole spire but only the upper beacon tip? The material looks so classy and would've even improved 1WTC's overall look...
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Old June 10th, 2015, 08:17 PM   #4158
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I just can't get over how bad this is. Generic modernist schlockitecture. Didn't even try to do anything with the ******* crown. **** this guy, and **** Fox.

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Old June 10th, 2015, 08:24 PM   #4159
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My favorite is Bjarke's bs talk about elevated sky gardens or whatever. They're setbacks, Bjarke. Setbacks. NYC has had them forever and they're not new or revolutionary. What he did was stack some boxes on top of each other.
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Old June 10th, 2015, 08:24 PM   #4160
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Honestly the 2003 and 2010 proposal were the best of all.
Why change the design for the worst.
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