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Old June 11th, 2015, 07:49 PM   #4281
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designing a tower to appear as if its about to fall over is honestly really inappropriate and distasteful for a site such as this. Why would you ever build a tower to look like its tipping over on a site like the World Trade Center? Everything about this building is just awful.
It is also distasteful to build a tower that King Kong can use as steps to get the to the top of 1WTC easier.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 07:51 PM   #4282
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The building does look dangerously flimsy. Not my cup of tea, but the optimist in me hopes they will make major changes before it actually is built. It really does not work at all design-wise & does not compliment 1wtc at all.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 07:58 PM   #4283
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Here is more about the big design.
http://jyllands-posten.dk/internatio...-Trade-Center/

Imho. this is really lame. Fosters design was way better. There is no innovation in the design. No wow effect. Just boxes on top of boxes - at one of the premier, most prestigeous places in the world. I simply don't get it - Go to Shanghai if you want to see amazing skyscrapers - go to New york if you want to see boring boxes - with no creativity ?

For danish architecture this is equally bad - as we are the country of Joern Utzon - not routine stuff?
Money might secure that this building becomes a reality, not architectural value.

They should be forced to make a free competition, where architects from all of the world could show how this spot should look given constraints from the money behind the project.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 08:13 PM   #4284
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Why does YIMBY like it then? Paul Goldberger? Maybe everyone else is acting childish and lame about this, not even giving it a fair shake. Well, it's most likely what's going up there, haters, and it sure isn't my first choice... but move on already.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 08:19 PM   #4285
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I think this building is very interesting and unique... but it doesn't fit as well with the other WTC towers as i would like. I'm trying to think of this as the glass is half full though, not the glass is half empty.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 08:30 PM   #4286
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I think from some angles it actually fits better, but that's me.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 08:41 PM   #4287
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The one and only angle which it might fit better is from the east, in Brooklyn. From there it might allow us to see more of 1 WTC.

imo, this



is infinitely better than this.



no contest here either.




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Old June 11th, 2015, 08:45 PM   #4288
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Not just that but also when looking northeast. From there, it flows better with the other buildings.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 08:49 PM   #4289
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Why does YIMBY like it then? Paul Goldberger? Maybe everyone else is acting childish and lame about this, not even giving it a fair shake. Well, it's most likely what's going up there, haters, and it sure isn't my first choice... but move on already.
Because it's "Y"imby not "N"imby. They're generally pro-development, which basically is a good thing being so rare in present days, however sometimes they reflect a bit too less imo.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 08:57 PM   #4290
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Yeah Foster's design fits better from those angles... but in all honesty the new design doesn't look all that bad from those renderings. Its starting to grow on me a little more... but Foster's design will always be superior!!
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Old June 11th, 2015, 09:05 PM   #4291
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Wow, what a disaster. And this was my favorite tower in the complex.

In fact, this would have been a dream rebuild for me. But now they ruined it completely.

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You know I was in the camp that really disliked this but after letting it sink in, I'm starting to like it.
It's called (Architectural) Stockholm Syndrome. You feel "trapped" because you don't' have a choice so you resign to accept it to save yourself the frustration.
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Nope. It would have been; "Oh nice, much better."
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Old June 11th, 2015, 09:22 PM   #4293
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NEW YORK | 2WTC - 200 Greenwich St. | 411m | 1350ft | 88 fl | On Hold

Honestly I think this is very much the case of a spoiled brat wanting the Ferrari for his graduation gift. Yes there are many modifications that can make this tower better but this is going to be the tower and we are going to have to accept it
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Old June 11th, 2015, 09:23 PM   #4294
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The problem Fox had with the original design was that it was never going to be built.

We're not playing minecraft here. The sky is the limit, and in this case that limit is money. The new design is simpler to build...
How do you figure? The Foster design was a simple straight up tower, with four creases and a slanted roof. The new one on the other hand, has a bunch of setbacks, which means re-setting the platform with each set back. Worse, yet you've got that crazy cantilever on the other side which also makes the engineering and construction much more complex. This one is definitely going to be more expensive to build.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 09:27 PM   #4295
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Why does YIMBY like it then? Paul Goldberger? Maybe everyone else is acting childish and lame about this, not even giving it a fair shake. Well, it's most likely what's going up there, haters, and it sure isn't my first choice... but move on already.
What do you mean childish? Beauty is instant. When we see something awesome or beautiful we are INSTANTLY awed by "it". On the other hand if you have to discuss and analyze something to "discover" its inner/hidden beauty, then it is not there.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 09:34 PM   #4296
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Im really starting to like it now, i just hope they light the crown at night.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 09:36 PM   #4297
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Good news everyone. They just released a new rendering of the building, and it's much more appropriate for the site, and Fox News.

New Rendering of The Freedom Fry:

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Old June 11th, 2015, 09:39 PM   #4298
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designing a tower to appear as if its about to fall over is honestly really inappropriate and distasteful for a site such as this. Why would you ever build a tower to look like its tipping over on a site like the World Trade Center? Everything about this building is just awful.
The twin towers didn't topple over when they were destroyed. They collapsed down upon themselves.

Not to mention, the original Foster design looked like the top third had been sheared off, which is actually a lot closer to the events of 9/11 than this silly pile of lego blocks.

Also, the two stepped sides of the buildings converge on the one vertical straight edge in the design, on the inner corner. It's a point of strength and clearly designed to look like it's holding the building up, firm and resolute. So one could argue the building exudes solidarity, rather than fragility.

9/11 has made people go crazy. They don't even know what it's about anymore. They just use it to fill the gaps in their vague sense of unease. This building doesn't look any more like it's falling over than Trump Tower or 111 Murray or 50 Hudson.
Or what about Beekman, that looks like it's crumbling apart. Or 80 South St, that looks like it's cut in half.

If you go looking for parallels, you'll find them in everything. It's not inappropriate or distasteful. The only thing that's inappropriate or distasteful about the WTC site is that it's still not finished more than a decade later.
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Old June 11th, 2015, 09:42 PM   #4299
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World Trade Center starchitect Bjarke Ingels would have built the twin towers back the way they werehttp://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.2254683




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Old June 11th, 2015, 09:42 PM   #4300
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You know I was in the camp that really disliked this but after letting it sink in, I'm starting to like it.
It's called (Architectural) Stockholm Syndrome. You feel "trapped" because you don't' have a choice so you resign to accept it to save yourself the frustration.

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I have to wonder, if THIS were the design we got 14 years ago and got replaced by Foster's design now would people still react this way?
Nope. It would have been; "Oh nice, much better."
I agree. While it's true Foster's design is just an extruded building with nice detailing on the top, the simplicity of the tower is complemented with the great quality of materials and the special attention to detail. Those metallic fins running through every vertical mullion, or the stainless steel crowns at the top, or the dark cladding at the recessed walls played very well with the asymmetric geometry of the diamonds at the top. This coordination was intended to uplift Foster's design to a level of quality, gracefulness and elegance Ingel's design currently lacks. My judgement may be too early, and I hope we can soon receive new information regarding the facade details so that we can assess a better opinion. My only objection is, why did they showed us Foster's design? They could've save us the torment.
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