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Old June 29th, 2015, 11:01 AM   #4741
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Can we please keep politics and religion off of this forum, it's starting to get irritating. First off, Fox News is just one of many media arms of 21st Century Fox that would need studios there. All of Fox Sports networks would relocate there as well as several television studios and 21st Century Fox's offices.

And did I seriously read someone say Fox News promotes an anti-gay Christian agenda? That definitely makes the top 10 list of stupidest things I've ever read.

How about we keep the discussion on the architecture? This being an architecture forum. That'd be great.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 05:39 PM   #4742
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Can we please keep politics and religion off of this forum, it's starting to get irritating. First off, Fox News is just one of many media arms of 21st Century Fox that would need studios there. All of Fox Sports networks would relocate there as well as several television studios and 21st Century Fox's offices.

And did I seriously read someone say Fox News promotes an anti-gay Christian agenda? That definitely makes the top 10 list of stupidest things I've ever read.

How about we keep the discussion on the architecture? This being an architecture forum. That'd be great.
you are the one here defending newscorp. get it it out this thread buddy!
probably a shill anyway.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 09:53 PM   #4743
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You're overestimating how much people care about what's built on the site of terrorist attacks. Trust me, in another ten years, nobody will even notice. Besudes, 1WTC is the iconic structure, the rejuvenation, the symbol. The rest is just filler.
I agree. The one thing that I've heard most is "just get it done already". I'd actually argue that most people didn't even know about Fosters design. When they aired on the news the design for 2 WTC they never said that it was a redesign. Also I'm pretty much new around here, I've been on skyscraperpage for a while but this seems more interesting.
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Old June 29th, 2015, 11:35 PM   #4744
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Can we please keep politics and religion off of this forum, it's starting to get irritating. First off, Fox News is just one of many media arms of 21st Century Fox that would need studios there. All of Fox Sports networks would relocate there as well as several television studios and 21st Century Fox's offices.

And did I seriously read someone say Fox News promotes an anti-gay Christian agenda? That definitely makes the top 10 list of stupidest things I've ever read.

How about we keep the discussion on the architecture? This being an architecture forum. That'd be great.
Sounds like you haven't read many things in your life time or watched enough Fox News.

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I agree. The one thing that I've heard most is "just get it done already". I'd actually argue that most people didn't even know about Fosters design. When they aired on the news the design for 2 WTC they never said that it was a redesign. Also I'm pretty much new around here, I've been on skyscraperpage for a while but this seems more interesting.
Unlike us here, most people in the general population don't give a crap about skyscrapers
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Most people still mistaken the Chrysler or Woolworth Building as the Empire State Building and many still thought they were doing the original hollow top design when 1WTC was under construction.

It's a safe bet people don't care to remember or even aware of the original Foster 2WTC design.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 12:02 AM   #4745
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It is important that even a small fracture of the society cares for the site. If nobody ever cared for the outcome of the construction on the site, who knows what would we have there today. Only one person can change the opinion of thousand people. That's why we have this forum, to share our opinions with other people and to accept or even start loving some things we didn't even care for. So, as long as we care, there is still hope that something good can be built on the site.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 12:16 AM   #4746
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So, as long as we care, there is still hope that something good can be built on the site.
The Ingels design is an improvement over the Foster design.

The other WTC architects all signed-off on the redesign, and think it's an improvement. Basically everyone involved in the WTC supports the change.

People need to get over it. This is the design. It's a better design. It's happening, and that's that.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 12:24 AM   #4747
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Trust me, in another ten years, nobody will even notice. Besudes, 1WTC is the iconic structure, the rejuvenation, the symbol. The rest is just filler.
So no one will notice the building immediately adjacent to the iconic structure and symbol that's been heavily hyped for a decade and sits at one of the most photographed locations on earth? I get what you're saying, thousands of buildings indeed go overlooked everyday. Methinks this won't be one of them, if for no other reason but sheer height and location alone.

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It's a safe bet people don't care to remember or even aware of the original Foster 2WTC design.
Whether or not people remember the Foster design is irrelevant at this point. Nor does it's demise render this design anymore attractive. People can love or hate this one regardless of the Foster design option.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 02:58 AM   #4748
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Don't bring religion into this. It's completely unnecessary to express your views on an architectural forum, just as the guy you quoted was also wrong in bringing the argument.

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So is the tower's height 1,340'? Or is that guy Michael, trolling like a real bitch.
Well why didn't you say anything to him? I'm not trying to bring god into the equation I'm trying to correct a stupid saying. Yeah, i agree we should keep it strictly about skyscrapers but you get morons on here who make silly remarks that requires you to respond. So please don't tell me something if your not going to tell the other. Thank you.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 03:04 AM   #4749
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The Ingels design is an improvement over the Foster design.

The other WTC architects all signed-off on the redesign, and think it's an improvement. Basically everyone involved in the WTC supports the change.

People need to get over it. This is the design. It's a better design. It's happening, and that's that.
I couldn't agree more. Personally the foster design was not that attractive and i even tried to like it and find the beauty in it but couldn't. So yeah people need to get over it because fosters design wasn't all that.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 03:21 AM   #4750
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I think the new tower is beautiful. Larry Silverstein will make Jews proud if he pulls this off. Mazel!
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Old June 30th, 2015, 03:47 AM   #4751
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It's so ugly!! Why would you want a tower with form and style? Stacked unsteady looking boxes are all the rage today, unlike the old design that was a perfect cornerstone to project. I am really glad they changed it.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 04:08 AM   #4752
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Those distorted diamonds look mishuganah! Clearly, they were not cut by my people on 47th St.! Oi vey!!!
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Old June 30th, 2015, 05:49 AM   #4753
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It'll be interesting to see what the reaction is like when this is finally complete, which will still be years down the road.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 06:18 AM   #4754
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The Ingels design is an improvement over the Foster design.
For the sake of discussing architectural design, what makes you say the new concept is "better?"
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Supports, or accepts? I doubt they'd publicly express anything suggesting one design is better than another so as not to disgrace Foster. That's a social no-no in the industry among practicing peers. Plus, why would the other Architects even have a formal say? They're not paying for the structure and their structures are already built or in the pipeline.

I assume they simply nodded in acceptance that this new concept was being put into play and that was that.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 06:22 AM   #4755
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Old June 30th, 2015, 07:40 AM   #4756
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Just a thought; how bad would it be for Larry if they went through all this trouble with the redesign and started construction only for Murdoch to back out?

Do you guys think this will start construction before the final lease is signed? Surely Larry would be a bit more careful than that, even despite how desperate he seems to be.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 08:27 AM   #4757
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He has to wait for a deal to go through so financing can be secured.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 02:04 PM   #4758
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Is it possible that the 2 Towers near Rockefeller Center that Fox/Newscorp currently occupy could be removed when they loose there largest tenants?
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Old June 30th, 2015, 03:57 PM   #4759
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Nothing will happen to 1211, though it will be pretty empty. BIG's 2 WTC actually just looks like a bunch of 1211's stacked on top of each other

It also worth noting that Fox likes to do concerts outside the building.
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Old June 30th, 2015, 05:49 PM   #4760
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The redesign is atrocious. I hope that this is just a concept and they consider the neighboring towers for the final redesign. Since this discussion has turned into a political discussion of those bashing Fox News, the numbers speak for themselves, Fox News has more exponentially more viewers because of their balanced approach on news. Sure, they lean slightly right. But, they are sprinkled with progressivism as well, which liberals love. Karl Rove for instance is a massive progressive. Those that bash Fox News for their views need to take an introspective look at how they get information and the rest of the media, who by in large are not just left leaning, but ultra liberal.
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