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Old July 13th, 2015, 05:01 PM   #4841
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The new design is not great, but better than the initial one...
Would you mind offering your reasons why? I'm genuinely curious and have asked a few of those who've said the redesign it better but I've not yet garnered a formal reply (that I recall). What are the architectural merits to this design that win you over?
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Old July 15th, 2015, 09:10 AM   #4842
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Boxes stacked on top of each other. That's what I see on this new design.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 04:11 PM   #4843
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Perhaps that was already answered somewhere in this thread: I remember that there was a movie a few years ago, which played in a future New York and the Norman Foster version of this tower was already there. Can you remember which movie it was?
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Old July 16th, 2015, 04:21 PM   #4844
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Perhaps that was already answered somewhere in this thread: I remember that there was a movie a few years ago, which played in a future New York and the Norman Foster version of this tower was already there. Can you remember which movie it was?
Oblivion and another one where was vin diesel
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Old July 16th, 2015, 04:28 PM   #4845
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Thanks! The one with Vin Diesel was "Babylon A.D."
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Old July 17th, 2015, 02:02 AM   #4846
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Thanks! The one with Vin Diesel was "Babylon A.D."
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Old July 18th, 2015, 12:27 AM   #4847
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I don't mean to disrespect BIG, and I realize that Bjarke and co. were working within requirements set by News Corp that governed the shape of their tower (that's the nature of architecture) but the fact remains that my distaste for the stack o' boxes design hasn't dissipated. And the only way I've been able to process that distaste has been to try my hand at something better.

What I came up with combines the sloping negative space of Foster's original 2WTC design, genuflecting towards the Memorial; the "dancing" interplay of the Hudson Yards towers; and from the North, a nearly identical profile to the original Twins... and, I'm realizing, because the southwestern face is parallel to that side of 1 WTC, also incorporates the "leaning" of BIG's design, minus the sense that the thing is actually going to fall over.

So, with apologies for being so presumptuous, here is the tower I would have proposed (although for my money, I would've just kept Foster's work of art).


Aerial North by Marshall Knight, on Flickr


Aerial Southeast by Marshall Knight, on Flickr


Aerial West by Marshall Knight, on Flickr


Southeast 3 by Marshall Knight, on Flickr


Southeast 2 by Marshall Knight, on Flickr


Northeast 1 by Marshall Knight, on Flickr


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North (Twins) by Marshall Knight, on Flickr
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Northwest 1 by Marshall Knight, on Flickr


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POV South (Memorial) by Marshall Knight, on Flickr


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Old July 18th, 2015, 12:47 AM   #4848
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That's way better.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 02:40 AM   #4849
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Nice. It is way better. What program did you use?
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Old July 18th, 2015, 02:50 AM   #4850
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Thank, man! I used Tinkercad, which is free and all-online. You can teach yourself to use it in a couple minutes.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 03:11 AM   #4851
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I've imagined a tower for that site myself. I added an optical illusion in which the portions of the tower completely blend with the background view by using LED screens which will make the portions of the tower that don't have screens to look like they are levitating in the sky. I'm not sure that our technology can support my design, but I've heard of a tower in Korea which will use the same technology and it will be completely invisible. I'm not sure it's a good idea for a building, but who knows...
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Old July 19th, 2015, 01:20 AM   #4852
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It seems that there is widespread and almost universal distaste for the new design (including this user). One can only hope that somehow, Silverstein, FOX, and BIG are listening and will come up with something better.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 02:32 AM   #4853
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Oh, it won't change at all.

1. Silverstein just wants to finally complete the complex. He doesn't actually care for architecture or the buildings on the site.

2. Fox just wants to be on the WTC site so they can talk all the time about that. They don't actually care for architecture or buildings on the site either.

3. Bjarke Ingels is an architect. An architect would never tell his design sucks big time or even scrap it. An example of that is Zaha Hadid. Many of her projects have been panned and ridiculed, but she still keeps defending them. After I've seen this building, I don't think he cares for architecture and buildings on the site, too.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 04:31 AM   #4854
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I am rather optimistic that the design will change, we have seen it before many times with this site. The almost universal distaste for the design may cause Silverstein to urge Fox to consider a redesign. At this point though it is really up to Fox, though Silverstein can reject the design as well. As for Ingles, he has no say the matter, just like foster he is disposable. Will they change architects? Probably not. Will they change the design? I can definitely see that happening.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 10:32 PM   #4855
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Especially from the south and east view, this tower's NYC antecedent seems to be 30 Rockefeller Plaza, albeit BIG just reduced the design entirely to the steps of setbacks. Of course the detailing, proportions, etc. of 30 Rock are far superior. But I'd buy a 30 Rock influence much more than the Tribeca malarkey in BIG's sizzle reel.
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Old July 20th, 2015, 03:15 PM   #4856
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Oh, it won't change at all.

1. Silverstein just wants to finally complete the complex. He doesn't actually care for architecture or the buildings on the site.

2. Fox just wants to be on the WTC site so they can talk all the time about that. They don't actually care for architecture or buildings on the site either.

3. Bjarke Ingels is an architect. An architect would never tell his design sucks big time or even scrap it. An example of that is Zaha Hadid. Many of her projects have been panned and ridiculed, but she still keeps defending them. After I've seen this building, I don't think he cares for architecture and buildings on the site, too.
Lots of speculative leaps here.

Just because someone likes something you don't, doesn't mean they're not interested in architecture.

Architecture is an art, and all art is subjective. A lot of people in this thread and elsewhere need to understand that they won't like all buildings ever made, and that's fine.
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Old July 20th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #4857
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Lots of speculative leaps here.

Just because someone likes something you don't, doesn't mean they're not interested in architecture.

Architecture is an art, and all art is subjective. A lot of people in this thread and elsewhere need to understand that they won't like all buildings ever made, and that's fine.
Of course, but the fact is that someone cares less than the others. Silverstein once said that Foster's 2 WTC is his favourite project on WTC site, but he didn't mind this crappy replacement. His job is to build and make money from it.

Fox is a company. Companies can't care for architecture. Their only need is to have a building with an interior that corresponds to the needs of the company.

I know that there are buildings that I, or in this case, we won't like, and that is normal and just fine. But this is different as there was a design that was a true masterpiece of the site, a building that received acclaim, but was replaced by simple boxy design that could've been built anywhere else. That's why I am complaining. I would never be so critical about this building if it was proposed when the site was being cleared, but I am now critical because I've waited years for that amazing diamond-shaped tower to be built and now it's replaced by BOXES.
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What I came up with combines the sloping negative space of Foster's original 2WTC design, genuflecting towards the Memorial; the "dancing" interplay of the Hudson Yards towers; and from the North, a nearly identical profile to the original Twins... and, I'm realizing, because the southwestern face is parallel to that side of 1 WTC, also incorporates the "leaning" of BIG's design, minus the sense that the thing is actually going to fall over.

So, with apologies for being so presumptuous, here is the tower I would have proposed (although for my money, I would've just kept Foster's work of art).
Very cool. Do you have a background in architecture?
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I don't mean to disrespect BIG, and I realize that Bjarke and co. were working within requirements set by News Corp that governed the shape of their tower (that's the nature of architecture) but the fact remains that my distaste for the stack o' boxes design hasn't dissipated. And the only way I've been able to process that distaste has been to try my hand at something better.

What I came up with combines the sloping negative space of Foster's original 2WTC design, genuflecting towards the Memorial; the "dancing" interplay of the Hudson Yards towers; and from the North, a nearly identical profile to the original Twins... and, I'm realizing, because the southwestern face is parallel to that side of 1 WTC, also incorporates the "leaning" of BIG's design, minus the sense that the thing is actually going to fall over.

So, with apologies for being so presumptuous, here is the tower I would have proposed (although for my money, I would've just kept Foster's work of art).

https://flic.kr/p/vcd6Cp]https://far...a9b693bd_o.png
[/url]Aerial North by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

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[/url]Aerial Southeast by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/vc4sey]https://farm1.staticflickr.com/456/19159501314_8b0dd2752e_o.png
https://flic.kr/p/vc4sey]Aerial West
by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

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Southeast 3 by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/w6Lki7] https://fa...17_o.png<br />Southeast 2 by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

=https://flic.kr/p/vRsUej]https://farm1.staticflickr.com/452/19594103188_bb0400d7a3_o.png
[/url]Northeast 1 by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

=https://flic.kr/p/vcddB4]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3704/19161211473_77c000c4d9_o.png
[/url]Northeast 2 by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

=https://flic.kr/p/vRsSJN]https://farm1.staticflickr.com/499/19594098170_4e4f00c12d_o.png
[/url]North (Twins) by Marshall Knight, on Flickr
North View (Twins)

https://flic.kr/p/vcddwV]https://far...wV]Northwest 1 by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

=https://flic.kr/p/vRsSAb]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3773/19594097670_3a7be64162_o.png
[/url]Northwest 2 by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

=https://flic.kr/p/w95s4x]https://farm1.staticflickr.com/515/19782103125_7fc2b2b52c_o.png
[/url]POV Southeast by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

=https://flic.kr/p/w8rcfA]https://farm1.staticflickr.com/448/19774834162_ec9dc33c48_o.png
[/url]POV Southeast 2 by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

=https://flic.kr/p/w6LkpQ]https://farm1.staticflickr.com/556/19755935746_b468d01372_o.png
[/url]POV South (Memorial) by Marshall Knight, on Flickr

=https://flic.kr/p/w98BSp]https://farm1.staticflickr.com/528/19782721455_c0ea47070f_o.png
Harbor View by Marshall Knight, on Flickr
Evokes the Twin Towers. Much better concept than the complete and utter rubbish thats the current proposal.

EDITED TO REMOVE THE PICS. Look for them yourselves.
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