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Old July 25th, 2015, 07:15 PM   #4901
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Went to check on the progress of WTC2 and i must say i'm shocked...What happened?
The orignal design was so promising, a true masterpiece in the making and in my opinion the finishing touch of the new wtc site.

Can anybody explain why exactly the design has changed?
Foster's 2 WTC didn't have the space required for Fox.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 07:17 PM   #4902
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It gets uglier and uglier the more I look at it.

Truly huge disappointment. I think it should be more of a political question rather than only commercial. This is not an ordinary place and and not an ordinary office tower.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 08:10 PM   #4903
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This is the building that said that is similar in design in Bogota
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Old July 25th, 2015, 08:12 PM   #4904
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The opposite is true. There has been widespread acclaim for the tower from architectural critics and the public. It's a significant improvement over the derivative Foster design. The only place where I have seen criticism is in SSC. No offense, but this website is hardly representative of the public, and few people posting here have any design background. You see it in the comments like "this looks like a stack of boxes". It sounds like simpletons going to a modern art museum and saying "I could have thrown paint on a canvas too". Now obviously you're entitled to your opinion. But just realize it isn't shared by most especially the design professionals and decision-makers.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 08:27 PM   #4905
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Can anybody explain why exactly the design has changed?
James Murdoch taking control of News Corp had a lot to do with it. He wanted to make his mark early and the easiest way to do so was to redesign the company's new headquarters in his own image (i.e. a graceless blockhead)
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Old July 25th, 2015, 10:45 PM   #4906
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yeah but I thought it was safe from a redesign because the base for fosters 2 WTC was already built.
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Old July 25th, 2015, 10:50 PM   #4907
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James Murdoch taking control of News Corp had a lot to do with it. He wanted to make his mark early and the easiest way to do so was to redesign the company's new headquarters in his own image (i.e. a graceless blockhead)

Wow!..instead of insulting a successful and brilliant entrepreneur you should try to open your mind and wonder WHY Bjarke Ingels is becoming such a sought after "starchitect".
And by the way,I would like you to reevaluate honestly Foster's design and to tell us what was so gracious in his design.
I am a bit surprised as i read you pretty often as one of my favorite forumers!
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Old July 25th, 2015, 11:13 PM   #4908
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yeah but I thought it was safe from a redesign because the base for fosters 2 WTC was already built.
Complicated, but they found a way.

I believe I read that much is being hidden behind here?

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What's that nonsense scribbled across the concrete?
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Old July 26th, 2015, 03:17 AM   #4910
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This building looks like the Bd Bacata. The new tallest building in Bogotá Colombia. Will the 2 wtc be built?
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Old July 26th, 2015, 06:17 AM   #4911
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Old July 26th, 2015, 06:54 AM   #4912
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I totally agree
I totally agree as well. I showed this to my family and friends, all of whom live in manhattan and they were elated by this design. This design appeals to the average New Yorker, it's simple from afar and complex, shiny, and intriguing from up close. Foster's design was a building that put form ahead of function paying almost no care as to the internal environment, while Ingels' design is the opposite in my opinion, and perhaps cares too much about internal environment. That's ingels though, a people pleaser, trying to make sure the inhabitants, the general public, and architecture enthusiasts are all pleased.
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Old July 26th, 2015, 08:47 AM   #4913
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What's that nonsense scribbled across the concrete?
It says: 'Haters can piss and moan, it won't change a thing. This tower is getting built. Get a life' - in Danish.
Very thoughtful.
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Old July 26th, 2015, 11:12 AM   #4914
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This building really isn't that bad.

It's just the location, the design it's replacing, and why it's being replace that ticks me off.
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Old July 26th, 2015, 02:58 PM   #4915
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I can't get used to he new design... I really wonder how Bjarke can design a tower, where boxes are stacked crooked on top of each other at a symbolic place of strength and both oblivion and remembrance.
The towers are a very important part of showing the new strength of the USA after the tragedy and now Bjarke Ingels designs a tower, that looks like it is collapsing every moment! Suboptimal for this place.
How can an architect overlook such an important aspect??
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Old July 26th, 2015, 04:14 PM   #4916
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Ingels doesn't overlook anything:the problem comes from you and the way you read the design I think.On the west side(wtc side)the building has a flat surface and a quiet strong looking presence.It's a tower in motion with a huge citadel like base that guarantee visually there is no way it collapses.There are many ideas and symbols in that baby's design:unity,resilience,gathering,religiosity...
What's the main message?:The tower(the United States)may vacillates,it is not gonna fall!
Also,Ingels owes a lot to F Gehry,our most authentic genius:the flat west side is inspired by NY by Gehry and the stacked crooked boxes by the same Gehry's design for the Center for the performing art.
Dubai architectural mess and Zaha Hadid recent work/garbage may prevent you to fully appreciate subtle designs(as it seems that you like both of them)
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I really like xing lin's design tweak on the previous page. What really ruins the north view is the stacked boxes create a monotonous facade that undercuts the verticality of the tower.
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Old July 26th, 2015, 07:35 PM   #4918
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I can tolerate this building from most angles, but this is the angle that I just can't get over. It's absolutely awful.
I think it would look better if the top block was the same height as the others, but its still one of my favorite views of the tower
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Old July 26th, 2015, 08:16 PM   #4919
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Would be better if it looked like this...

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Ingels doesn't overlook anything:the problem comes from you and the way you read the design I think.On the west side(wtc side)the building has a flat surface and a quiet strong looking presence.It's a tower in motion with a huge citadel like base that guarantee visually there is no way it collapses.There are many ideas and symbols in that baby's design:unity,resilience,gathering,religiosity...
What's the main message?:The tower(the United States)may vacillates,it is not gonna fall!
Also,Ingels owes a lot to F Gehry,our most authentic genius:the flat west side is inspired by NY by Gehry and the stacked crooked boxes by the same Gehry's design for the Center for the performing art.
Dubai architectural mess and Zaha Hadid recent work/garbage may prevent you to fully appreciate subtle designs(as it seems that you like both of them)
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I think it would look better if the top block was the same height as the others, but its still one of my favorite views of the tower
It's interesting how the only people praising this design are people who have never posted in this architecture forum before. Hmmm... Anyone know how many people work in Ingel's firm? Looks like they're busy on here these days.
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