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Old September 18th, 2015, 10:25 PM   #5121
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Sounds grammatically incorrect but probably an example of what you would refer as "form following function" (albeit from very far)

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as your argumentation is flimsy and jesuitical my friend.
Coming from a true Blaise Pascal such as yourself I'll take that as a compliment

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Old September 19th, 2015, 05:31 AM   #5122
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It appears you have mistaken this skyscraper forum for a forum for which you insult other members. I may suggest rethinking the manner to which you use the forums.
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Old September 19th, 2015, 09:39 PM   #5123
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I am warming up to his 2 WTC.
I'll just leave this here.
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Old September 24th, 2015, 04:37 PM   #5124
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Nothing new but as suspected, this looks like a done deal according to Silverstein.

Exclusive Q&A - Larry Silverstein on WTC Progress
http://wtc.com/media/news/exclusive-...n-wtc-progress

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Silverstein Properties and World Trade Center's Larry Silverstein didn't think he would see this in his lifetime, but he did. The new and improved World Trade Center has helped kick-start a commercial transformation in Lower Manhattan, creating a hub for innovation, media and tech that's attracted some of the biggest media companies to the region—including a blockbuster deal for Rupert Murdoch-run News Corp and 21st Century Fox to anchor 2 WTC. In this exclusive Bisnow interview, Larry reflects on progress and future plans for the monumental project

Bisnow: Last Friday marked the 14-year anniversary of 9/11. Since then, we’ve seen a resurgence of Lower Manhattan. Where’s the WTC today?

Larry Silverstein: There’s a lot going on, both Downtown and here at the new World Trade Center. The most exciting is the activity of 21st Century Fox and News Corp at 2 WTC. That building contains about 2.8M SF and they will occupy about 1.4M SF of that in the lower half of the building. That lease is expected to be signed by the end of 2015. 3 WTC is about halfway up. That building should be finished by the end of 2018. [And all buildings will be fully rebuilt and opened by 2020.]
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And here's to hoping changes will be made to the current design.

Meet the Superstar Architect Transforming NYC’s Skyline
http://www.wired.com/2015/09/bjarke-...-center-wtc-2/
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Many elements of the tower’s design are still in flux. For a while, it lost one of its seven boxes, and then it got it back—but the height of the building shrank by 90 feet. And the tower has acquired one inconvenient critic: Douglas Durst, who happens to operate One World Trade Center next door. “I’m very disappointed in Bjarke’s design,” the developer tells me, explaining that he dislikes the orientation of its stepped gardens. “He turned his back on our building. Not even metaphorically. It’s very disrespectful.”
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Old September 24th, 2015, 07:43 PM   #5125
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Durst making sense for once.
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Old September 24th, 2015, 09:56 PM   #5126
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Whatever many of us might think about the design, that Wired article is worth a read for its pretty extensive inside look, not only at 2 WTC, but BIG's work at the intersection of developers, tenants, government, engineers and fellow architects.

Meet the Superstar Architect Transforming NYC’s Skyline

There's some more insight on our earlier questions about the foundation:

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The foremost constraint involved Foster, or rather the remnants of his design. As the result of a political compromise between Silverstein and the Port Authority, Foster’s foundation had already been constructed to allow the completion of a $4 billion underground transportation hub. ... Piggybacking a new skyscraper onto Foster’s foundation, however, created tricky structural problems, especially in the lobby and the lower floors, which would have to be engineered to shift the tower’s weight onto the preexisting supports. Whatever Ingels wanted to create high in the air would have to connect to what was already set deep in the ground. So, after winning over the developer and his anchor tenant, Ingels would have to convince yet another skeptical audience: Silverstein’s engineers.

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Ingels’ idea for retrofitting the foundation involved shoring up walls and columns underground, in the Port Authority’s domain, which turns out to be verboten. Like a Jenga block, taking away that crucial bit of reinforcement could potentially cause the whole structural scheme to fall apart. ... [in the lobby] he intends to use an array of diagonal columns to solve the challenge of aligning his structural supports with predetermined points in Foster’s foundation. “We get an almost Libeskind-esque language,” he says, “defined simply by connecting the dots.”

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As Ingels begins to review a wall covered with diagrams and illustrations, Ute Rinnebach briefs him about the lobby, where his ingenious solution to the foundation problem—the “Libeskind-esque” sloping columns—has proven expensive. Ingels worries that the cheaper alternative, straight columns, would leave the lower floors cluttered with obstructions. But Rinnebach recommends straightening things out. “I could live with that,” Ingels concludes. “If we really want the truth, this is the truth. This is the truth in dollars.” The words are hardly out of his mouth when Janno Lieber drops by to reinforce the point. “I think we would welcome design ideas from you guys,” he says. “But the real issue, Bjarke, is not any design aspect. It’s really just about the cost.”

“Nobody wants to pay $12 million to $15 million more for structure,” Ingels assures him.

After Lieber leaves, the design team moves on to discussing the lobby’s aesthetics. Many sentences begin with “James wants,” referring to the younger Murdoch. “James has this Pacific Northwest aesthetic, like lumber and concrete,” Ingels says. Even as he seeks to satisfy his patron, however, Ingels is also thinking about making his metaphors, assembling his narrative. “I think one thing that is the typical criticism of the big corporate skyscraper is that it’s unwelcoming, right?” he says, going off on an improvisational riff. “Maybe there is a way that this could be a friendly skyscraper.” He suggests using materials like brass and cobblestones, which would evoke old New York. “It’s got a good story to it,” he says.
As well as some mention of other, yet-to-be-unveiled new BIG projects:

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Each high-profile commission brings BIG to the attention of increasingly important clients—like the NFL franchise owner who recently retained Ingels to work on a stadium project. “Coming here to America five years ago, we were given the opportunity to try to reimagine the skyscraper, which is one of the great inventions of American architecture,” Ingels says. “I think the American football stadium would be an awesome thing to take on.”

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To welcome his staff to their new home, Ingels calls for a midmorning champagne toast. Someone plays Sinatra’s “New York, New York,” and then Ingels gives a speech. He rattles off a list of exciting projects, many of them not yet public, including a second Manhattan skyscraper. “It’s not every day that you do a 1,200-foot tower in New York City,” he quips. “But it feels like every day.”
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Old September 24th, 2015, 11:52 PM   #5127
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My heart still aches when I compare Foster's original design against the new BIG design
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Old September 25th, 2015, 12:04 AM   #5128
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We watched the BIG video on 2 WTC in our Architecture class and everyone had nothing but good things to say about the design.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 12:43 AM   #5129
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I think this tower's biggest problem is that it's replacing what most of us thought would've been one of NY's best new towers, and I'll probably never get used to it.
But I gotta say the tower by itself isn't too bad, especially from the ground level, I actually think it will have a more interesting street scape than Foster's building, but viewed from above, it doesn't even come close. I might have actually liked it were it built somewhere else.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 01:22 AM   #5130
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it would be a fine tower anywhere else.
frankly, someone should have put their dick down and made this complex be coherent.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 01:33 AM   #5131
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The article from Wire is definitely a good read and provides some good insight.

Personally my favorite part was:
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A skyscraper must withstand huge forces of gravity and wind. But Ingels thinks he has figured out how to shape his skyscraper differently. “We just redistributed the calories,” he says.

Ingels looks up from his board to see Ute Rinnebach, his project manager for Two World Trade Center, hurtle into the office. She is just back from meeting with the engineers.

“How did it go?” Ingels asks.

“Really bad,” Rinnebach says. “I’ve got some horrible news for you.”
No kidding. I guess it must have been one of these "architect dreams vs. engineering pragmatism and laws of physics" meeting...

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Murdoch’s deepest concern, according to multiple sources, amounted to: Why doesn’t it fall over?
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Old September 25th, 2015, 04:31 AM   #5132
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The problem with this tower is not its design. Its the context. The design is actually fairly nice and in most other locations it would be a fine tower. However, the design just doesnt fit this complex. Its too bulky compared to the other towers and it draws the eye away from One World Trade Center. That would be fine if it were noticeably larger than 1WTC, but its is about the same size, which gives a sort of plateau vibe that doesnt fit the overall spiral of the complex. In my opinion it would be better if the tower were shortened by 100-150 feet.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 05:05 AM   #5133
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well i guess theres still some hope that some tweaks might be made that might improve the design. i guess well just have to wait and see
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Old September 25th, 2015, 07:51 PM   #5134
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Now that the design has changed, I wish they wouldn't build a 2 WTC at all and just extend the plaza and rename 3 to 2 and 4 to 3 but off course that will never happen since the office space has been already sold.Well,at least I can look on the bright side,no way this hideous thing can get value engineered.
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Old September 26th, 2015, 07:13 AM   #5138
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The problem with this tower is not its design. Its the context.
The design is badly proportioned and unbalanced. It could be better if the entire building had 'shifted block' sides, but one side is straight and the other is stepped
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Now that the design has changed, I wish they wouldn't build a 2 WTC at all and just extend the plaza and rename 3 to 2 and 4 to 3 but off course that will never happen since the office space has been already sold.Well,at least I can look on the bright side,no way this hideous thing can get value engineered.
Well, not exactly... the Libeskind-esque lobby will probably be redesigned to be more boring because of costs. And according to the article, the facade Bjarke had in mind cost $60 million more than Foster's... So we'll see that cheapened... and who knows if we'll actually get those Sky gardens with the costs?

Also, a second Manhattan skyscraper? I'm half excited and half worried we'll see a tower that leans towards the Empire State Building.
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Well, not exactly... the Libeskind-esque lobby will probably be redesigned to be more boring because of costs. And according to the article, the facade Bjarke had in mind cost $60 million more than Foster's... So we'll see that cheapened... and who knows if we'll actually get those Sky gardens with the costs? Also, a second Manhattan skyscraper? I'm half excited and half worried we'll see a tower that leans towards the Empire State Building.
That lobby will not change a lot as it's not Libeskind-esque tinfoil hat pseudo architecture, but a super complicated transfer system from the existing column grid to the new design's above.
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